Ray R
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Gave up so much to trade up to to 3.
For QB. Obvious. Don't need to say anything.
I fail to see the purpose of you starting a thread for it.
Someone needs his glasses checked to see if it's the right prescription! LOL
Gave up so much to trade up to to 3.
For QB. Obvious. Don't need to say anything.
I fail to see the purpose of you starting a thread for it.
So the real question....if Pitts, Chase and Smith are there at 6, do we try to trade down 1-3 spots to pick up more picks and still grab an elite pass catcher??
We all know it’s a QB. I think the OP is asking if it’s reach, is Miami able to do more dealing?
That may have been true in the past, but these days it's more of a negotiation point. If Shanahan was having trouble getting Grier to pull the trigger on #3 to #12, he probably offered up the clear and obvious knowledge that they were not targeting a pass catcher. Whether he freely admitted it was a QB or not is unclear. But in all liklihood ... Grier didn't need to hear it from Shanahan to know it, but it merely confirmed what he already knew.I thought I heard it's normally a "Common Courtesy" thing for them to disclose who they're moving up for in deals like this..far from required.
We gave up a helluva lot to move back up from 12 to 6. Frankly, the Eagles were in a position to screw us and they did because we really really wanted to draft a top weapon for Tua. It was very expensive but we did great on the initial trade and I assume that Grier is totally comfortable with that decision. I think we draft either Chase, Smith or Pitts because all were deemed to be elite. At position 6, at least one of the three will be available. Grier is betting on a perceived relative certainty of getting a top player and we thank Laremy Tunsil and Bill O'Brien as the Commissioner makes the announcement.
Good deal.That may have been true in the past, but these days it's more of a negotiation point. If Shanahan was having trouble getting Grier to pull the trigger on #3 to #12, he probably offered up the clear and obvious knowledge that they were not targeting a pass catcher. Whether he freely admitted it was a QB or not is unclear. But in all liklihood ... Grier didn't need to hear it from Shanahan to know it, but it merely confirmed what he already knew.
I wasn't here back then but wow.The Eagles trade was agreed before the 49rs was triggered.
You can nitpick and look for flaws in any diamond. But the reality is the “net effect” of the moves. It was masterful.
Tunsil receives no credit for all of our draft capital earned. He did nothing at all. Grier did it, and he deserves all the credit.
Go back to the Tunsil trade thread, it’s amazing to see the amount of posters on this forum who “ripped” the move and called for Grier’s head in a box.
Here is a thread I started on the Tunsil trade, in 2019, interesting perspectives to look back at now:
The True Test of The Tunsil Trade
The true test of any trade is to completely reverse the scenario. Many of us have chimed in and the general consensus is that, “hey, we liked the kid and he is good. But... the offer was just too good to pass up”. Don’t want to put words in anyone’s mouth, but that is my impression of the...finheaven.com
The GM community is actually pretty small, so reputation means a lot. Almost every GM is looking for a job at some point. So, while they don't mind being labelled as secretive, they do not want to be known as untrustworthy or two-faced. I suspect you're spot-on with your assessment that both Grier and Shanahan were honest even if they weren't completely revealing.I assumed that's the case..of course if you tell them you want guy A and he's there and take someone else..that really would not give the team you traded with much faith to do a big time trade again..no matter if it's the player the other team actually wanted or not!
I'm sorry if it wasn't obvious for you.Gave up so much to trade up to to 3.
For QB. Obvious. Don't need to say anything.
I fail to see the purpose of you starting a thread for it.
Maybe that is the way it works in Fantasy Football but it certainly doesn’t work that way in the NFL.It's actually pretty common in these types of trades for teams to disclose who their target is.
It's part of the trust factor when you are making a deal like this.
Grier is not moving if they are coming up for Chase or Pitts cause then getting back to 6 does not really help us.
For instance, when Ireland moved up to 3 to draft Dion Jordan he had to gurantee the Raiders "Guy" would still be there at 12 (our pick).
The Raiders guy was DJ Hayden, and he was there. Ireland did a terrific job moving up that far for just 1 second rounder.
But we all know how it worked out with Dion....
I'm sure the 9ers told Grier it's a QB.
I pray it's a QB!I think Grier knows it's a quarterback, but that's about it.
They didn't trade all that for Chase or Pitts for sure.I think Grier knows it's a quarterback, but that's about it.