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Dolphins Big Problem at DT

WR is not a priority!!!!! Linemen,defense (corners,LB,safety) RB in later rounds. BPA if they really impress.
 
Starks and Soliai were both so bad this year let both walk. Unless one of them offers a hometown discount. Otherwise let them walk and look elsewhere.

Oddrick deserves to get an extension, would rather spend the money there. Look at Art Jones in free agency. Big-time talent who deserves BIG money. Upgrade the position
 
ITS!MATEO said:
Would stats suffice?

2009 - 56 tackles/7 sacks/5 stf/1 fr

2013 - 49 tackles/4 sacks/6 stf/1 fr
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Not really. Lets expand on this, and realize that Starks was a 3-4 DE in 09, as opposed to a DT in 2013.

In 2009, he played 730 snaps, was ranked #5 with a 7.4 grade on the pass rush with 7 sacks, 10 hits, and 15 hurries. On the run, he was ranked #2 with a 15.0 grade. He had 36 solo tackles and 13 assists.

In 2013, He played 742 snaps, was ranked #8 with a 13.0 grade on the pass rush with 4 sacks, 6 hits, and 30 hurries, On the run, he was ranked #5 with a 15.3 grade. He had 39 solo tackles and 9 assists.

This is from PFF, and based on playing 50% of teams snaps. One thing to consider is that in 2009 there were not many 3-4 DE's playing half of the team's snaps. In 2013, the ranks included many more as NT's were included with DT's.
 
CHI Fin Fan 13 said:
How about Melton from Chicago
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Don't know, coming off a bad injury which should deflate his price but, what a talent when healthy. I like Joseph from the Giants, and would not be surprised if Wilfork comes into play to come home to finish hes career.
 
MikeO said:
Starks and Soliai were both so bad this year let both walk. Unless one of them offers a hometown discount. Otherwise let them walk and look elsewhere.

Oddrick deserves to get an extension, would rather spend the money there. Look at Art Jones in free agency. Big-time talent who deserves BIG money. Upgrade the position
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In all due respect, you could not have watched Stars play and posted this. No way.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Not really. Lets expand on this, and realize that Starks was a 3-4 DE in 09, as opposed to a DT in 2013.

In 2009, he played 730 snaps, was ranked #5 with a 7.4 grade on the pass rush with 7 sacks, 10 hits, and 15 hurries. On the run, he was ranked #2 with a 15.0 grade. He had 36 solo tackles and 13 assists.

In 2013, He played 742 snaps, was ranked #8 with a 13.0 grade on the pass rush with 4 sacks, 6 hits, and 30 hurries, On the run, he was ranked #5 with a 15.3 grade. He had 39 solo tackles and 9 assists.

This is from PFF, and based on playing 50% of teams snaps. One thing to consider is that in 2009 there were not many 3-4 DE's playing half of the team's snaps. In 2013, the ranks included many more as NT's were included with DT's.
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So, your rebuttal is through more stats that show he was better in 2009? :ponder:

He played better as a 3-4 DE. The team saw him as a Ratliff type 4-3 DE back in Dallas, so that's why they moved him there. He needs to go back to a 3-4 team because he doesn't deserve anything more than middle of the pack pay where he's at.
 
ITS!MATEO said:
So, your rebuttal is through more stats that show he was better in 2009? :ponder:

He played better as a 3-4 DE. The team saw him as a Ratliff type 4-3 DE back in Dallas, so that's why they moved him there. He needs to go back to a 3-4 team because he doesn't deserve anything more than middle of the pack pay where he's at.
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Guess it's how you read the stats, grades, and rankings. Snaps and tackles are a wash. Total pressures and grades are better in 2013. The ranks are close but, comparing at two different positions, where 3-4 DE was very limited, and all DT's or NT's was much more extensive.

I also have to give Starks a bonus point in flipping the finger to the sidelines, no matter who he said it was intended for. LOL

EDIT- In 09, there were 17 3-4 DE's playing half the snaps vs 2013 having 40 DT's doing the same. It does make a difference.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Guess it's how you read the stats, grades, and rankings. Snaps and tackles are a wash. Total pressures and grades are better in 2013. The ranks are close but, comparing at two different positions, where 3-4 DE was very limited, and all DT's or NT's was much more extensive.

I also have to give Starks a bonus point in flipping the finger to the sidelines, no matter who he said it was intended for. LOL

EDIT- In 09, there were 17 3-4 DE's playing half the snaps vs 2013 having 40 DT's doing the same. It does make a difference.
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why does everybody make such a big deal about him flipping someone off. Even Philban who doesnt like that type of stuff laughed it off in the following presser
 
123phins said:
why does everybody make such a big deal about him flipping someone off. Even Philban who doesnt like that type of stuff laughed it off in the following presser
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And I am "LOL" as well.
 
They are the same age - how do the professional evaluators determine whether Soliai or Starks has the most gas left in the tank?
I would expect Kevin Coyle would be forced to evaluate and prioritize, but I welcome your thoughts.
I would tend to keep Soliai for a lower amount and try to lock Odrick up for 4 years.
 
spiketex said:
They are the same age - how do the professional evaluators determine whether Soliai or Starks has the most gas left in the tank?
I would expect Kevin Coyle would be forced to evaluate and prioritize, but I welcome your thoughts.
I would tend to keep Soliai for a lower amount and try to lock Odrick up for 4 years.
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Soliai has basically only been a full time starter since 2010. Starks came into the league in 2004 and played a lot straight away. no one has a crystal ball, of course, but there's more wear and tear on Starks.
 
matt11390 said:
I think Donald will become a star and has the looks of a Warren Sapp meaning he is a little short and light but is a big playmaker
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I agree. Donald would be a nice pickup. I thought he was more of a late 1st early 2nd, but he seems to be moving up and for good reason. He is extremely disruptive and I like the Sapp comparison.

Miami could let Starks go, sign Albert and then draft a couple of offensive lineman pretty high.
 
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