Dolphins have 'expectation of mastery' for quarterback Tua Tagovailoa

[Mr Fan]

At least on paper, this is the most offensive talent Tua has had to work with. It took awhile to get in the same page with Smith, but that was likely due to Tua's injury early in the season.

Add Westbrook-Ikine to the receiving room, Gordon at running back, Daniels and Savaiinaea at guard and Tua should have a big year.

I agree with those of us saying Tua should have more freedom to audible.

I suspect this has something to do with why isn't allowed to audible often. The wonderlic test scores for some of QBs the year he was drafted. He was the lowest that class. The score of 20 is usually the bottom line that the teams want.

Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13

But heck, if we are going to break the metrics for a QB why not go for the guy who short, injury prone, slow and well not that bright.

 

[Blake the great]

if McDaniel didn't take 10 years to say anything and could get plays called in on time, then Tua might be able to change some plays at line of scrimmage based on the defenses but he can barely get plays in on time, especially with so much motion here and there before the snap.

 

[Mello Yello]

if McDaniel didn't take 10 years to say anything...

It's weird.

Even watching his press conferences on 2x speed are frustrating. So full of "um...uh..."

 

[danmarino7051]

I suspect this has something to do with why isn't allowed to audible often. The wonderlic test scores for some of QBs the year he was drafted. He was the lowest that class. The score of 20 is usually the bottom line that the teams want.

Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13

But heck, if we are going to break the metrics for a QB why not go for the guy who short, injury prone, slow and well not that bright.

I don’t think there’s any evidence that Tua audibles any less than average. If you , or anyone else can provide some I’d love to see it.


Lamar Jackson scored a 13
Dan Marino scored a 15

There are studies that show the wonderlic doesn’t really show intelligence. Especially in athletics.

“Bad for Athletics

The Wonderlic was designed for corporate use -- not for athletes. It completely fails to provide value in the measurement of an athlete's cognitive ability. There are 3 primary concerns that have been observed in its use by the National Football League:

1) The Wonderlic is not used by NFL teams in their decision-making process.

2) The Wonderlic provides a "stereotype threat" to players.

3) The Wonderlic results are unrelated to NFL performance.“

The Wonderlic: Utility and Flaws in Athlete Assessment - EXACT Sports

The Wonderlic test has been used to guage the utility and flaws in a prospective athlete, but what does the test consist of?

exactsports.com

 

[danmarino7051]

It's weird.

Even watching his press conferences on 2x speed are frustrating. So full of "um...uh..."

During Hard Knocks he seemed to do fine when speaking to the team. Maybe he’s just making sure he’s not giving the media any ammo so he’s careful about word choice? Or maybe he’s just nervous in front of cameras?

 

[GRYPHONK]

I definitely think being a leader isn’t the best position for Tua. I do wish he’d get better, but a person’s play can also be a leadership style. I’ve got to think that after all he’s been though, and is still able to play like he is, creates respect from other players.

This is odd for GRYPHONK. Can't say anyone is wrong really, as GRYPHONK doesn't personally know Tua.

All GRYPHONK knows is pretty much everyone who is playing with, has played with or wants to play with Tua, who's gone on record have all complimented Tuas "leadership"

Listening to press conferences and answers on podcasts is not what makes a leader. What he does on the field and in the huddle, or in practice does.

This is just the opinion of a humble GRYPHONK.

Remember when Vanderjact criticized Peyton Manning's leadership for not showing emotions?

Guess leadership is different for different people. could care less about his interviews, pod casts or weirdness. All GRYPHONK knows is Miami has a QB who literally is not afraid to kill himself for this team. Not saying that's smart or not though lol. But how many other teams can say "Yeah, our QB wants to win so badly he's willing to literally kill himself for us" lol

 

[GRYPHONK]

I suspect this has something to do with why isn't allowed to audible often. The wonderlic test scores for some of QBs the year he was drafted. He was the lowest that class. The score of 20 is usually the bottom line that the teams want.

Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13

But heck, if we are going to break the metrics for a QB why not go for the guy who short, injury prone, slow and well not that bright.

Refresh my memory please..

What were Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and Lamar Jackson's wonderlic scores again?

You could advise us of Donovan Mcnabbs if you prefer.

You guys and your wonderlic scores argument are quite humerous

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

I suspect this has something to do with why isn't allowed to audible often. The wonderlic test scores for some of QBs the year he was drafted. He was the lowest that class. The score of 20 is usually the bottom line that the teams want.

Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13

But heck, if we are going to break the metrics for a QB why not go for the guy who short, injury prone, slow and well not that bright.

To be fair, I believe Dan Marino had a low wonderlic score. Also, not sure how that scoring system transfers to football?

Both Marino and Tua read the field quickly, as an example.

 

[WestLondonDolphin]

Or... maybe some of us have realized there's no point to discuss things with you aquas because everything turns into personal attacks and insults. You don't listen to reason and deny everything that doesn't align with your fairytale's.

So we will wait until til the seasons end and when we are in the same boat or worse, we can maybe, hopefully have reasonable conversations then. Until then, enjoy your unrealistic expectations...

Re. Personal attacks and insults … here’s a representative sample of your recent contributions

 

[GRYPHONK]

To be fair, I believe Dan Marino had a low wondering score. Also, not sure how that scoring system transfers to football?

Both Marino and Tua read the field quickly, as an example.

It doesn't. It's just people's way of thinking their clever to imply Tua is stupid.

Yet, they ignorantly don't realize some of the best QBS to ever play the game had a similarly low wonderlic score.

 

[Blake the great]

It's weird.

Even watching his press conferences on 2x speed are frustrating. So full of "um...uh..."

I cant listen to him speak. Every time I feel like this scene from Billy Madison.

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[Mello Yello]

It doesn't. It's just people's way of thinking their clever to imply Tua is stupid.

Yet, they ignorantly don't realize some of the best QBS to ever play the game had a similarly low wonderlic score.

In the context of overcoming an average intellect, I think Dan Marino had plenty of on-field talent to convince people to follow his lead.

You can tell me if what you've seen is enough to say the same about Tua. If he's not got the personality or the intellectual mastery of the game to do it, his authority has to come through performance...

...has he been dominant to that degree? Are we comparing Tua's on-field performance to that of Marino and saying Tua dominates to a similar degree? Is he that inspiring?

IDK...you tell me?

 

[canesz06]

I remember Andy Reid’s first 5 seasons in KC. Missed the playoffs once and won 1 playoff game. I bet KC wished they’d had fired him.

I remember Jimmy Johnson’s first 3 seasons in Dallas. A losing record, no playoff appearances. I bet Dallas wished they’d had fired him.

I remember Sean Payton’s first 3 seasons in New Orleans. 2 losing seasons and one playoff win. I bet the Saints look back and think it was a mistake to keep him.


I remember Dan Reeves first 3 seasons. 1 losing season, one playoff appearance, no postseason wins. Broncos fans wanted him gone. So stupid to keep him.

I remember Bill Belichick’s first 5 seasons as a head coach. 4 losing seasons.. 1 playoff win. Browns fans are sick that he was fired.

And every one of those coaches had a franchise/ HOF Qb. McDaniel has Tua. Big difference

 

[marino13zach54]

Yeah. They truly care about Tua. See what they’ve done on the offensive line for reference.

 

[The Goat]

Or... maybe some of us have realized there's no point to discuss things with you aquas because everything turns into personal attacks and insults. You don't listen to reason and deny everything that doesn't align with your fairytale's.

So we will wait until til the seasons end and when we are in the same boat or worse, we can maybe, hopefully have reasonable conversations then. Until then, enjoy your unrealistic expectations...

Here’s the most astounding thing about this, that for whatever reason you and your captainless (oops) crew haven’t grasped, despite me saying it over and over again.

My expectations aren’t remotely unrealistic. I’ve been saying 7-10 for months. I just don’t feel the need to mock those who disagree with me, or hover around their posts to type “worthless post” every time they post.

As far as insults, let’s revisit the VERY NEXT POST YOU MADE AFTER THIS ONE, champ.

Homophobic much? You’re a real class act.