If Tuas speech makes you think he’s dumb, then, using that premise, 95% of the NFL must be utter morons.
. Give me an example of his speech which shows this. Not starting an argument, but I’ve never thought of Tua as dumb, intellectually.
My opinion comes from watching him speak in interviews and to the media and relative to how I see other QBs speak. I’m not trying to **** on the guy at all - I like him. Just my read on the guy.
Most times your comments are intelligent. This time. Not so much.
I figured it wouldn’t be a well loved take, but it doesn’t change my opinion.
Someone’s general intelligence is not determined by how they speak. That’s an extremely ignorant and inaccurate statement to make.
How someone speaks and articulates their thoughts is absolutely one way to determine intelligence. I’m not saying he’s football dumb, I’m not saying he’s a bad QB, I just don’t find him to be particularly impressive in terms of how he expresses himself from the little I’ve seen.
If one were to meet Tua at a family picnic, he would not have to speak into his "media filter" and then maybe one could accurately estimate his intellect, or at least his ability to speak. Everything we fans get to hear is carefully scripted. The HC is just now learning how to filter his interviews, so he stammers while he thinks through what he should say. Smoothly delivering "coachspeak and playerspeak" is a skill in itself but it should not be a measurement of intelligence. More likely it indicates a player is trying to be honest and forthcoming but he knows that he should not, so he is trying to think about what he should say. Again, a separate skill.
Definitely a good point - maybe he is camera and media shy. I did mention that this could be an issue with leadership. He could be plenty smart but not carry himself well in front of others? That is not a trait you want from a leader. So I actually hope you’re wrong haha.
Allen and Jackson and Mahomes don’t come off as some of intellectuals. Lol
You think so? When I listen to Mahomes and Allen talk they definitely articulate themselves MUCH MUCH better and are more engaged, direct, conversational. I almost have never seen that from Tua.
Jackson? Yeah, he doesn’t come off super smart… but he does come off ENGAGED. When they win or lose, he can speak on the topic, he can articulate and express himself. He doesn’t come off as well as Jordan Love or Josh Allen for example, but I don’t think he’s any worse than Tua… but he has shown better on field traits.
...but you can make it through their answers to questions and they're smart enough to give answers that fit the question / context. That confidence and clarity builds
charisma.
OTOH, Tua is more often just kind of
weird. Beyond the stammering and lack of conviction, his answers to questions often just give away too much...things which really shouldn't be part of the public projection. We can all agree that he's too confessional.
I get what
@Atila is saying. The guy is kind of hard to root for. Charisma is a thing and he's always been less charismatic and more honest...but that's not necessarily a good thing in terms of leadership.
Some people hide their distaste for Tua behind an infinite list of 'football' complaints but in reality he's just not that well-liked among a lot of fans who are really 50/50 on the guy. You can cite jersey sales all you want but I've never met a Dolphins fan in real life that liked anything about Tua beyond the passing efficiency. There's just no personality there and what is seems kind of goofy.
I agree with most of this but wouldn’t go as far as saying he isn’t liked. He does come off goofy and a bit weird. A lack of personality. Maybe he’s shy.
Tua is heading into year #6.
Anyone still deciding what they think of him is doing the same thing people did with Tannehill. Well, I got news for you, he is who he is and there's plenty of data to show what that means (both good and bad).
I liked Tannehill early on but you could see the limitation by years 3-4. There wasn't development after that because he'd had plenty of snaps prior. I spent years 5-7 pleading that we move on because it was obvious he wasn't going to be special.
You could see the upside in Tua by years 2-3 and you could see the limitation as well. He's now entering year #4 in just this offense alone, so yeah, he'd better be "mastering" it, whatever that means.
Is he going to look any different? That's exceedingly unlikely. This is just another year for someone who is now an established veteran with a long track record and thousands of snaps in the NFL.
He's our transition QB through '25 and probably '26, mostly because of his injury issues. Unless he suddenly stops getting injured or the Dolphins plow through the elite opponents on their schedule, they're definitely going to be exploring other options come '26 and '27...that's pretty much inevitable at this point.
Debating the QB's potential when the guy is a veteran is just stupid. Let's not make that same mistake. We did it with Tannehill and it made us look silly.
This is a good point and I wonder… is there any QB specifically who “clicked” after like year 3-4-5? Josh Allen got better everywhere, but he still sucked his first two years…. What about guys like Kurt Warner or I dunno who else? Is there any precedent for Tua to take a big step up?
I think the best thing for him is he has seen success… it’s not some horrible reclamation project but yeah… do we see guys at his caliber take another step up in year 5-6-7?
Have you listened to Lamar speak? Lol
I get that Tua comes off as “weird” to some. I think he’s just kind of shy. I’ve only heard good things about him though and in my experience people really like the guy.
Yeah, maybe Tua is shy - I think that is not ideal for your leader. It’s part of my point.
Lamar is cool as hell. He exudes confidence you might not like the way he does it but he commands respect from his peers
He may not speak hyper intelligently but he does hold himself up well.
He is dumb. He got a 13 on his Wonderlic, and then took it again and still only got a 19. Justin Herbert in comparison for example got a 39.
If you are going to score that low on the Wonderlic, you better have God given insane talents like Lamar Jackson or Dan Marino. You can't be dumb AND physically gifted lacking.
So when people want Tua to call plays/audible at the line more. I think there's very good reasons why he hasn't under both McDaniel AND Flores. Two systems BTW that were built from the ground up SPECIFICALLY for Tua.
I think this is a solid point… especially everyone comparing to Lamar Jackson… that guy has had a lot more on field success and speaks with A LOT more confidence than Tua.
I definitely think being a leader isn’t the best position for Tua. I do wish he’d get better, but a person’s play can also be a leadership style. I’ve got to think that after all he’s been though, and is still able to play like he is, creates respect from other players.
Yeah, I don’t think he’s utterly worthless. I just agree I don’t think he’s the type of leader we want in our QB… he doesn’t have that big balls charisma - at least not to me.
