That is interesting, sound like someone is taking something personally. Not sure how you take Stanley completely off your board.
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That is interesting, sound like someone is taking something personally. Not sure how you take Stanley completely off your board.
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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...pects-quarterbacks-b99704527z1-376408321.html
Tons of good quotes in here, this was probably the only media guy who got our Juwan James pick correct.
I posted a few QBs that have been talked about here, for the rest of them hit the link.
Tons of good quotes in here, this was probably the only media guy who got our Juwan James pick correct.
I posted a few QBs that have been talked about here, for the rest of them hit the link.
That's some interesting stuff in the jsonline link.
Cardale Jones had touch late in 2014. I don't think that's his weakest trait. Obviously that's a wild card pick who can frustrate you one play and dagger the opponent on the next. He still reminds me of James Harris of the Rams in the '70s.
I finally watched the Senior Bowl tape a few days ago. Wentz isn't quite as ready as my impression from highlight clips. He doesn't always make quick and ideal movement within the pocket. But there's no way that game should include 4 quarterbacks per team. One quarter simply isn't enough, especially for a lower division prospect like that.
I forgot about Dadi Nicolas. He's another guy whose stock dropped in 2015 due to injury. But he has special pass rushing ability in a smaller frame. In early 2014 Ohio State fans were whining that their offensive line was incompetent. No, Dadi Nicolas made those linemen look much worse than they actually were.
I agree with a post above that Tyler Ervin has an effective skill set, albeit a very tiny frame. I remember betting against San Jose State in a first half wager and that idiot ruined it for me with a couple of big plays.
Back to the quarterbacks, Paxton Lynch was maybe the most simpleminded guy who has ever appeared on Gruden's Quarterback Camp show. Particularly early in the program he offered nothing of interest and everything was pure cliche. Then he loosened up a bit but there was nothing of depth. He seemed like a nice simple guy. I'd be somewhat concerned how it translates to the complexities of the next level, and being a leader.
As I've mentioned, Lynch is like a coiffeur, a French barber. I'd be very skeptical of any scouting report that didn't lead off with that summary
Cardale Jones had touch late in 2014. I don't think that's his weakest trait. Obviously that's a wild card pick who can frustrate you one play and dagger the opponent on the next. He still reminds me of James Harris of the Rams in the '70s.
I finally watched the Senior Bowl tape a few days ago. Wentz isn't quite as ready as my impression from highlight clips. He doesn't always make quick and ideal movement within the pocket. But there's no way that game should include 4 quarterbacks per team. One quarter simply isn't enough, especially for a lower division prospect like that.
I forgot about Dadi Nicolas. He's another guy whose stock dropped in 2015 due to injury. But he has special pass rushing ability in a smaller frame. In early 2014 Ohio State fans were whining that their offensive line was incompetent. No, Dadi Nicolas made those linemen look much worse than they actually were.
I agree with a post above that Tyler Ervin has an effective skill set, albeit a very tiny frame. I remember betting against San Jose State in a first half wager and that idiot ruined it for me with a couple of big plays.
Back to the quarterbacks, Paxton Lynch was maybe the most simpleminded guy who has ever appeared on Gruden's Quarterback Camp show. Particularly early in the program he offered nothing of interest and everything was pure cliche. Then he loosened up a bit but there was nothing of depth. He seemed like a nice simple guy. I'd be somewhat concerned how it translates to the complexities of the next level, and being a leader.
As I've mentioned, Lynch is like a coiffeur, a French barber. I'd be very skeptical of any scouting report that didn't lead off with that summary
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I like Jefferson late in the draft. Another late lineman I like is Cory Johnson of Kentucky.
Me too. I have Jefferson rated ahead of some guys with early grades, and I'd say he'd typically be a 4th/5th RD DT. He's currently rated as the 27th DT and as a 7th RD-UDFA. I have him in the top-20 DT's. Good player. Solid production, solid athlete.
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I've been a hackenberg to Mia fan, but I really did not expect him to go this high.
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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...ft-prospects-Defensive-linemen-376906171.html
Scouting quotes for defensive lineman.
Scouting quotes for defensive lineman.
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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...spects-linebackers-b99704579z1-377020691.html
NFL scout quotes for linebackers
Lmao at Quote on Leonard Floyd eating a bunch of biscuits before his pro day, haha.
NFL scout quotes for linebackers
Lmao at Quote on Leonard Floyd eating a bunch of biscuits before his pro day, haha.
Really don't understand how anyone could rank Dodd over Ogbah or Lawson.
Yeah I struggle to rank Dodd over Nassib. To me they're dead even.
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Yeah me either theres a lot of weird rankings in both the linebacker and lineman articles. He's got some names really high that barely get talked about.
I'm not really sure how he formulates his rankings, if it's based on his own opinion or on scouts rankings.
* Most of all I agree with the quote that the Big 12 is like Arena Football. Very difficult to take seriously, and often to evaluate the players, especially anybody involved in the passing game. For more than a half decade the top teams in that league know they can make a living out of bubble screens and simple offshoots of that concept. That's partially how Robert Griffin became so overrated.
TCU basically surrendered. They entered the league with a defensive emphasis but decided it was far too much effort so now they merely try to win pantyhose shootouts like everybody else. Occasionally somebody like Texas or Oklahoma (last season) will play more defense than anybody in the league and it can look formidable until they venture outside the conference in a major test, like Oklahoma vs. Clemson. It's simply too much of a rise in class. Their defense was only good enough to slow the flimsy Big 12 schemes, which are stunned and often cave in when somebody actually confronts them.
* Thanks for the jsonline material. I tried the link but it says I have reached my limit of free articles. As always, no chance I'm paying to read somebody else's opinion, not after learning value in Las Vegas.
* I appreciate the positive description of Darron Lee. He seems to be sliding. It is a mistake. Lee is a missile. For one thing, questions about a linebacker's instincts simply aren't fully applicable to the NFL. If a linebacker has very good instincts in college then they become excellent in the NFL. Far less to decipher. Shazier's instincts have not improved. They simply aren't challenged as much. And the same will be true of Lee.
College offenses feature rapid tempo, unlike the NFL. There is far greater variance in style of play from one week to the next in college. Also the talent level of the opponent from week to week can vary drastically. College quarterbacks are legitimate run threats and there are plays with built in run/pass options in significantly greater percentage. College offenses are more balanced compared to current NFL, which has become more and more pass reliant. A linebacker can guess pass and be correct far more often than not. The pro plays fakes are half baked and mostly comical. College teams run to the sideline in far greater reliance because the defenses are not fast enough as a rule to massacre those plays in the backfield.
Put it all together and a pro linebacker simply doesn't face nearly the challenges in deciphering the play, although the blockers are certainly more formidable, along with the caliber of the typical skill position player you are trying to nail. Note that I'm restricting this theme to linebackers. NFL defensive backs need superior instincts because the quarterbacks and routes are more sophisticated.
* I read on another site tonight that Daniel Jeremiah said on a recent radio show that scouting has pivoted from 70/30 ratio of tape study over background/personality evaluation to the other way around, with 70% now devoted to figuring out as much about the player as possible and only 30% applied to tape analysis. That goes along with the Scott McCoughan Q&A that I posted here a week or two ago. And keep it in mind every time somebody on one of these forums throws out the blowhard, "It's all about the tape..."
That guy is sadly limited and passe.
* I watched the ESPN Sports Science show last night, featuring players from the combine. I didn't realize their top rated defender has won defensive rookie of the year honors something like 4 out of the past 5 years and the one exception was Marcus Peters last year, finishing second. This year the nominee is Jalen Ramsey. I still think he should be a safety and not a cornerback.
* Cardale Jones did well in the testing, especially in the touch category. No kidding. That's what I posted last week, that touch was a strong suit in late 2014. There are plenty of avenues to attack or doubt Cardale Jones but touch is not one of them. That scout who compared him to JaMarcus Russell but with far worse touch was lazy and uninformed.
* Dadi Nicolas reminds me of someone already on the Dolphins roster, Chris McCain. Both have very lean frames, especially lower body, and don't have an ideal position in the NFL. The difference is that Nicolas is far more natural off the edge creating leverage. He can win a play out of nowhere with great burst as witnessed by his 41 inch vertical, while McCain is mostly a bully type who thrives when everything is going great for the defense in general, whether it's a preseason game versus scrubs or a regular season avalanche. Taylor Decker raved about Nicolas in 2014 after Virginia Tech upset the Buckeyes in Columbus. Still, given the lack of perfect NFL position I don't think I'd take Nicolas until later than he'll probably fall.
* I have to say I'm really confused about the ratings of some guys. I thought Joe Thuney would be a late round gem, then Mayock has him in his Top 100. I've seen Deion Jones all over the map, from not in Top 100 lists to picked in the late first round of that ESPN Mock Nation program tonight with the reporters from each team making the pick, supposedly based on what they are hearing close to the organization.
* Kevin Hogan is an interesting dilemma. No doubt he benefited tremendously from the type of offense Stanford runs. Heck, even Andrew Luck had some weaknesses that weren't apparent due to Stanford's marvelous offense, like the tendency to force into traffic. I rejected Hogan due to the javelin delivery, and I'm still concerned about that, but there were brief glimpses of a shortened motion in the Game Changers episode featuring quarterbacks. I was certain I'd hear more about Hogan's altered mechanics leading to the draft. Nope.
Hogan has a chance if he indeed normalizes his throwing motion.
TCU basically surrendered. They entered the league with a defensive emphasis but decided it was far too much effort so now they merely try to win pantyhose shootouts like everybody else. Occasionally somebody like Texas or Oklahoma (last season) will play more defense than anybody in the league and it can look formidable until they venture outside the conference in a major test, like Oklahoma vs. Clemson. It's simply too much of a rise in class. Their defense was only good enough to slow the flimsy Big 12 schemes, which are stunned and often cave in when somebody actually confronts them.
* Thanks for the jsonline material. I tried the link but it says I have reached my limit of free articles. As always, no chance I'm paying to read somebody else's opinion, not after learning value in Las Vegas.
* I appreciate the positive description of Darron Lee. He seems to be sliding. It is a mistake. Lee is a missile. For one thing, questions about a linebacker's instincts simply aren't fully applicable to the NFL. If a linebacker has very good instincts in college then they become excellent in the NFL. Far less to decipher. Shazier's instincts have not improved. They simply aren't challenged as much. And the same will be true of Lee.
College offenses feature rapid tempo, unlike the NFL. There is far greater variance in style of play from one week to the next in college. Also the talent level of the opponent from week to week can vary drastically. College quarterbacks are legitimate run threats and there are plays with built in run/pass options in significantly greater percentage. College offenses are more balanced compared to current NFL, which has become more and more pass reliant. A linebacker can guess pass and be correct far more often than not. The pro plays fakes are half baked and mostly comical. College teams run to the sideline in far greater reliance because the defenses are not fast enough as a rule to massacre those plays in the backfield.
Put it all together and a pro linebacker simply doesn't face nearly the challenges in deciphering the play, although the blockers are certainly more formidable, along with the caliber of the typical skill position player you are trying to nail. Note that I'm restricting this theme to linebackers. NFL defensive backs need superior instincts because the quarterbacks and routes are more sophisticated.
* I read on another site tonight that Daniel Jeremiah said on a recent radio show that scouting has pivoted from 70/30 ratio of tape study over background/personality evaluation to the other way around, with 70% now devoted to figuring out as much about the player as possible and only 30% applied to tape analysis. That goes along with the Scott McCoughan Q&A that I posted here a week or two ago. And keep it in mind every time somebody on one of these forums throws out the blowhard, "It's all about the tape..."
That guy is sadly limited and passe.
* I watched the ESPN Sports Science show last night, featuring players from the combine. I didn't realize their top rated defender has won defensive rookie of the year honors something like 4 out of the past 5 years and the one exception was Marcus Peters last year, finishing second. This year the nominee is Jalen Ramsey. I still think he should be a safety and not a cornerback.
* Cardale Jones did well in the testing, especially in the touch category. No kidding. That's what I posted last week, that touch was a strong suit in late 2014. There are plenty of avenues to attack or doubt Cardale Jones but touch is not one of them. That scout who compared him to JaMarcus Russell but with far worse touch was lazy and uninformed.
* Dadi Nicolas reminds me of someone already on the Dolphins roster, Chris McCain. Both have very lean frames, especially lower body, and don't have an ideal position in the NFL. The difference is that Nicolas is far more natural off the edge creating leverage. He can win a play out of nowhere with great burst as witnessed by his 41 inch vertical, while McCain is mostly a bully type who thrives when everything is going great for the defense in general, whether it's a preseason game versus scrubs or a regular season avalanche. Taylor Decker raved about Nicolas in 2014 after Virginia Tech upset the Buckeyes in Columbus. Still, given the lack of perfect NFL position I don't think I'd take Nicolas until later than he'll probably fall.
* I have to say I'm really confused about the ratings of some guys. I thought Joe Thuney would be a late round gem, then Mayock has him in his Top 100. I've seen Deion Jones all over the map, from not in Top 100 lists to picked in the late first round of that ESPN Mock Nation program tonight with the reporters from each team making the pick, supposedly based on what they are hearing close to the organization.
* Kevin Hogan is an interesting dilemma. No doubt he benefited tremendously from the type of offense Stanford runs. Heck, even Andrew Luck had some weaknesses that weren't apparent due to Stanford's marvelous offense, like the tendency to force into traffic. I rejected Hogan due to the javelin delivery, and I'm still concerned about that, but there were brief glimpses of a shortened motion in the Game Changers episode featuring quarterbacks. I was certain I'd hear more about Hogan's altered mechanics leading to the draft. Nope.
Hogan has a chance if he indeed normalizes his throwing motion.
I wondered where all the small college names were coming from, the new wave of touted defenders in some of the threads here, like Justin Zimmer. Then I realized it had to source primarily from the excellent Seahawks site, fieldgulls.com.
Sure enough, they've posted articles on the "Seahawky" unheralded players in this draft, the guys who meet the physical attributes Seattle looks for in the Schneider/Carroll era. While this draft is considered weaker than most at the top and not many major college guys posted freak test scores compared to recent years, there does appear to be major allotment of intriguing athletes from smaller schools, player who tested well even if mostly outside the combine, along with having ideal measurables like 32+ inch arms for defensive backs.
Well worth a look, for anyone who is interested. So far they have posted articles on the defensive linemen, linebackers and defensive backs. The defensive back crop seems to be particularly deep, according to the guy who sorts out the players Seattle is likely to consider in the late rounds and free agency.
That was my impression exiting the bowl games, that many talented defensive backs were available, far beyond the big name guys. Good timing for the Dolphins.
The Seattle GM Schneider reportedly said recently that their board includes 200 names this year while typically it is in the 130 to 140 range.
I prefer major college sleepers to smaller school guys, although I did notice that players from some of those early bowl games were all over the lists, teams like Louisiana Tech and Central Michigan, etc. That jumped out at me while watching those early bowls, that somehow the smaller schools had good looking athletes on defense. I mentioned last week that I was annoyed at myself for not writing down the names instead of relying on memory.
Via sheer numbers a big percentage of the guys mentioned in the fieldgulls.com articles are going to be undrafted free agents. So that hectic chase apparently holds more importance this year.
Sure enough, they've posted articles on the "Seahawky" unheralded players in this draft, the guys who meet the physical attributes Seattle looks for in the Schneider/Carroll era. While this draft is considered weaker than most at the top and not many major college guys posted freak test scores compared to recent years, there does appear to be major allotment of intriguing athletes from smaller schools, player who tested well even if mostly outside the combine, along with having ideal measurables like 32+ inch arms for defensive backs.
Well worth a look, for anyone who is interested. So far they have posted articles on the defensive linemen, linebackers and defensive backs. The defensive back crop seems to be particularly deep, according to the guy who sorts out the players Seattle is likely to consider in the late rounds and free agency.
That was my impression exiting the bowl games, that many talented defensive backs were available, far beyond the big name guys. Good timing for the Dolphins.
The Seattle GM Schneider reportedly said recently that their board includes 200 names this year while typically it is in the 130 to 140 range.
I prefer major college sleepers to smaller school guys, although I did notice that players from some of those early bowl games were all over the lists, teams like Louisiana Tech and Central Michigan, etc. That jumped out at me while watching those early bowls, that somehow the smaller schools had good looking athletes on defense. I mentioned last week that I was annoyed at myself for not writing down the names instead of relying on memory.
Via sheer numbers a big percentage of the guys mentioned in the fieldgulls.com articles are going to be undrafted free agents. So that hectic chase apparently holds more importance this year.
I think I was the first person to mention Zimmer on this site. I'm guessing my approach is somewhat similar to the folks at FG's. I review the top 30-50 players ranked on draft scout, and I also review any players with high SPARQ scores that aren't included in that group. Zimmer, being at the top of the DL, was pretty easy to spot. When you factor in his production, and given that there is some tape (where you can see the tools on display), he looks like someone who should go much higher than his projection.