Drew Lock Destroying #11 Ranked Florida

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  1. where's th'fish

    where's th'fish Scout Team Donator

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    I just saw all his throws from the Florida and the Georgia games. I don't follow college football at all, so you guys'll know better. As it was my first exposure to Lock, however, I thought it might be interesting to throw it out there.

    At first blush he reminds me a lot of Jay Cutler: tough, terrible mechanics, pretty accurate, not great at reading the field, aggressive. On the other hand, when you think Jay Cutler you think boneheaded plays and turnovers. I didn't see a single boneheaded play from Lock. In fact, I don't think I saw a single TO that was his fault, even though his team was trailing all game against Georgia (funny thing, his mechanics seemed better in that game than against Florida).

    It's hard to be crazy about this guy. His game is... unaesthetic. But I can understand why he could go in the first round. Jay Cutler without the dumb plays? Doesn't sound half bad.
     
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    I'm completely underwhelmed and unimpressed. I hope to god Miami isn't foolish enough to draft Lock.
     
  3. TedSlimmJr

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    You have to watch all of his games - 4 years worth - to get the full picture on Drew Lock. You'll see throws like the pick six he threw against S. Carolina to lose the game. His flaw is to retreat straight back against pressure, then he tried to throw it to a receiver laying on the ground...

    (8:28 mark)



    Evaluating quarterbacks isn't easy. It's not as simple as good stats = good game. Bad stats = bad game. Interception = bad. No interception = good. Completion = good. Incompletion = bad. Etc....

    If that was the case anybody could do it and there would be no need to break down film. All you'd have to do is look at stats, which is what 95% of people do when they fall in love with or dislike quarterbacks.

    Even Drew Lock's completions aren't ideal a lot of times. Take the second throw of the game against Georgia for example - a game you said you watched. He has the RB#1 coming out the backfield wide open on a wheel. It's a completion that results in a huge play - mainly due to the back's ability. But break the play down further....




    Lock is 3 beats too late getting the ball out to the back. He's wide open but Lock doesn't come off his initial read in a timely manner, and almost lets the DB Tyrique McGhee get over in time to knock Badie out of bounds. There's no reason for Lock to be focused on his initial read that long - UGA is playing 2 deep safeties.

    Only great balance by the back and very poor one arm tackle attempt by #26 allowed the play to succeed to the extent that it did. You want the QB to see this and make this decision faster. Process what's going on faster.

    Lock has a particular fan that likes to point out his lone TD pass against Alabama where he stood in the pocket against literally no pass rush, and had a full 6.5 seconds to finally find a receiver. Bama's two worst DB's that gave up all the TD's this year (Savion Smith and Deionte Thompson) just couldn't cover that long. Watch the play over and over again and use your stopwatch to count how long he's able to stand back there with no threat of a DL even getting off a block. It's a full 6.5 seconds.

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    These are just examples. But if you've watched this kid for 4 years as closely as I have, you're just not sold on guys like this. He'll play in the NFL for a little while because of his physical tools. I like his arm and his athleticism. But I'll bet as high as anybody wants to bet that he's not going to be a franchise quarterback at the next level. He has Ryan Tannehill's flaws in terms of dealing with pressure and processing information quickly enough. It's not an IQ thing. It's a football instinct and spatial awareness thing.
     
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  4. where's th'fish

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    Love the detailed response :D

    At the end you touched on something that I was thinking about. I didn't see anything that screamed franchise QB about Lock, but I had the feeling he could be a top 25, maybe top 20 QB... not very different in that respect from Tannehill, who you mention. If that is the case, I wonder... just how high a pick is a guy like that worth? Not the 1.13 obviously, but I'm thinking low first, high second maybe? A QB like that is far from worthless. What do you think?
     
  5. TedSlimmJr

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    Probably a day 2 pick somewhere in there. Just my opinion.

    I just think quarterbacks like him are a worst case scenario, similar to Tannehill. It's the mediocrity that he'll force you to either commit to financially, or move on and start all over. He won't make it easy for the people trying to save their jobs. I mean there's still people that think Tannehill's play was acceptable. People watch bits and pieces of Drew Lock and think he's a superstar.

    Fact is, Lock hasn't even been drafted yet and you're already hearing excuses made for him in regards to the talent around him at Missouri.

    It wouldn't stop once he's in the NFL. Especially if Miami were to draft him. It was the same for John Beck and Chad Henne.
     
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    I just can’t get past his performance at South Carolina- one of the worst teams at defending the pass in the NCAA, and his stat line was....

    17-36 204 yds, 2 ints, 0 TDs, 47.2 passer rating
     
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    I am surprised to hear you say this. Talent around him isn't an excuse. This isn't the NFL. This is college football where the talent can be so different, you have to take it into consideration when evaluating a player. The fact is, Lock is not a perfect QB. But neither is Murray, and we may not know exactly what Murray's issues are until we see the talent level around him not be as dramatic as they were in college. Lock had his rough moments, as does most QBs in college. But he also showed a lot of ability to play the position under stress, in less than conditions. That is an important quality to me going into the next level.

    I think Murray is the best prospect in the draft, but I like Lock as a dude in the NFL too.
     
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    The talent around him is nowhere near as bad as some people are saying it is. They just don't know what they're talking about or know Missouri's roster. They don't know 1/10th about college football what they think they do.

    Lock has his fans. Every quarterback does. Like I said, I'll bet as high as you want to that Lock will never be a franchise caliber quarterback. He doesn't have it.
     
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    Apparently Emanuel Hall just isn't very good . . . Even in the FL game, within the first 3 quarters, you see two TO worthy throws and multiple bad decisions. The 3rd and 15, where FL obv jumps offside, he had Hall running deep, and he throws it short of the sticks to a tightly-covered receiver. It's a free play. There's another play where FL sniffs out the screen, and he throws it anyway for a 2-3 yard loss. He never looks comfortable/graceful in the pocket. Everything is jittery and erratic.
     
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    I see good NFL QBs make these same throws from time to time. That is extreme exaggeration youre trying to plant on Lock to discredit his success in this game.
     
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    You guys are nitpicking too much. Baker Mayfield was jittery and erratic in the pocket, and still is.
    The issues you are talking about are training. When he gets into the building, they starting working on it.
     
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    Saying that you will bet a guy will never become a franchise QB, doesnt reinforce your argument. We understand you dont like Lock. Its also okay for other people to think differently. But its so weird. Its almost taboo to like Lock on this forum.
     
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    Really? How many NFL prospects are on the Missouri O-line? How about Alabama’s?
     
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    His receivers were decent though dropped a lot of balls... his O-line was not good!
     

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