Emmanuel Acho going all in on Tua

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Oh please, there are a lot of games we have won despite Tua and the offense. Our defense saved our ass almost all year last year and just this last game.

the defense just doesn't "save our ass" when any other QB is playing. Also, there was more than one occasion last year when Tua helped the O take the lead in the 4th quarter only to see the D give up points.

 

[Yoodakine56]

Sorry if video was already uploaded prior to this post...

Very pleased to see Tua has gotten more and more respect these past few weeks (even though hes gotten injured). Guys like Emmanuel Acho are speaking out for him. Straight up tells it like it is lol. I agree with him though, as he believes Herbert is still being placed on a pedestal even though his play has regressed.

Of course the other side will say Herberts playing like it because the Chargers have a bunch of injuries on offense, but thats an excuse that TT couldnt have. (There is another part to this video, where Acho has his Final Thought and gets into more detail on why he thinks Tua is better than JH, but somehow i cant find that clip, may have gotten deleted.) If anyone can locate it, thanks!

 

[AZStryker]

im gonna go on record and say this is absolutely false. and that Herbert is going to be a very good qb in this league and Rivers was the most overrated qb in nfl history.

man is playing hurt

What has Herbie shown that makes you think he’ll be any different than the career path of Rivers?

Follow up question, can you name a QB in the league right now that is more overhyped/overrated the Herbie?

 

[Fred Bear]

the defense just doesn't "save our ass" when any other QB is playing. Also, there was more than one occasion last year when Tua helped the O take the lead in the 4th quarter only to see the D give up points.

Not to mention the Ravens game.

 

[djphinfan]

What has Herbie shown that makes you think he’ll be any different than the career path of Rivers?

Follow up question, can you name a QB in the league right now that is more overhyped/overrated the Herbie?

Herbert has shown me levels of performance from a young Qb that project very well as he continues to gain experience..I believe he is playing hurt since his injury was sustained

What Qb is overrated at this point ? Really dont know, dont have an opinion on it at this point..

 

[AZStryker]

Herbert has shown me levels of performance from a young Qb that project very well as he continues to gain experience..I believe he is playing hurt since his injury was sustained

What Qb is overrated at this point ? Really dont know, dont have an opinion on it at this point..

That was an extremely vague answer, but that’s kind of what I expected anybody to say about Herbie. There’s really nothing there to hang you hat on other than the big arm. He hasn’t, to this point, shown any signs of being a championship qb. He has shown at this point, very clear and distinct examples of being a qb who relies on yac and playmakers inflating his stats and struggling in the 2nd half of close games. Is that a career trajectory, not for certain but it’s all the data we have right now and it aligns perfectly from what we saw in college. So according to what we know, it’s fair to say it’s a very likely trajectory. So the Rivers comparison tracks imo.

 

[djphinfan]

That was an extremely vague answer, but that’s kind of what I expected anybody to say about Herbie. There’s really nothing there to hang you hat on other than the big arm. He hasn’t, to this point, shown any signs of being a championship qb. He has shown at this point, very clear and distinct examples of being a qb who relies on yac and playmakers inflating his stats and struggling in the 2nd half of close games. Is that a career trajectory, not for certain but it’s all the data we have right now and it aligns perfectly from what we saw in college. So according to what we know, it’s fair to say it’s a very likely trajectory. So the Rivers comparison tracks imo.

Its vague because I dont see such absolutes that you speak of when considering such a young Qb and the already hi levels of play he has shown as a pro

I account for growth when projecting.

I thought he would be a very good Qb coming out of Oregon after a lot of film study on him becsuse our situation, i did want Tua first but was good with Herbert if we couldn’t get him.

So once i really study a player i usually stick with that projection until you see something you didnt see in your evaluation..

Did you see these fatal flaws in his first two years when he broke all the records ?

Also i will add to this debate there is not a bigger critic of Rivers career then myself, ive been saying for the past two decades the guy was a fraud..and every year he proved me right and every year i had to defend my position practically solo… so i feel i have a good idea of what your insinuating.

Now i will admit i watched a couome ganes this year of herbert and thought to my self something aint right..but because it was such a stark difference then what i saw previously im Inclined to believe its the i jury he sustained, especially because of the nature of his struggles

 

[AZStryker]

Its vague because I dont see such absolutes that you speak of when considering such a young Qb and the already hi levels of play he has shown as a pro

I account for growth when projecting.

I thought he woukd be a very good Qb coming out of Oregon after a lot of film study on him becsuse our situation, i did want Tua first but was good with Herbert if we couldn’t get him.

So once i really study a player i usually stick with that projection until you see something you didnt see in your evaluation..

Did you see these fatal flaws in his first two years when he broke all the records ?

I’m sticking with my initial evaluation too. He is the same guy we saw in college. So yes I did see the fatal flaws that the highlight watching, box score following, fantasy football fans have missed. For the record, I’m not referring to you, just those that fit the bill. Anyway, like I said, there isn’t much, if any, evidence so far to suggests Herbie will ever lead his team to a highly successful, championship level team. He might be a Stafford who moves teams and with the right time and right situation, steals a super bowl win. However I’m still doubtful because he’s been surround by immense talent through this career and hasn’t produce stats that matter, just those the water cooler crowd fawn over.

 

[djphinfan]

I’m sticking with my initial evaluation too. He is the same guy we saw in college. So yes I did see the fatal flaws that the highlight watching, box score following, fantasy football fans have missed. For the record, I’m not referring to you, just those that fit the bill. Anyway, like I said, there isn’t much, if any, evidence so far to suggests Herbie will ever lead his team to a highly successful, championship level team. He might be a Stafford who moves teams and with the right time and right situation, steals a super bowl win. However I’m still doubtful because he’s been surround by immense talent through this career and hasn’t produce stats that matter, just those the water cooler crowd fawn over.

Well we disagree then on his projection and thats fine of course, i respect that your evaluation stemmed from college because i remember those debates with folks when he came out

Like most players coming out if they are not dolohins i dont study their games anymore unless there is a reason too.

So if you have studied in isolation as a pro and still have your convictions then perhaps you are right

Personally i woukd need to see more big games from him before coming to any conclusion’s from such a young player who had esrly success

 

[GRYPHONK]

Oh please, there are a lot of games we have won despite Tua and the offense. Our defense saved our ass almost all year last year and just this last game.

Correct.

But almost every game the defense saved our butts, We can also point to a critical 4th quarter drive that Tua and the offense either scored, or did enough to run down the clock.

That's what the poster was referencing. If we needed a 1st down, Tua got it no matter how poorly he may have been playing.

Herbert drives the field and throws an INT.

There's a reason Tua is statistically a top 3 QB in the 4th and in most categories 1st.

 

[tay0365]

Oh please, there are a lot of games we have won despite Tua and the offense. Our defense saved our ass almost all year last year and just this last game.

Actually no, there are not a lot of games Miami won despite Tua.

There might be SOME games where Tua could have done more, but usually when Tua does not pull his weight, or is not playing, Miami loses.

This past weeks games against the Steelers with a rusty Tua is a good example, of one of those rare games where Tua could have done a bit more, but still did enough to help his team win.

The wins against the Pats, Ravens, and Bills don't happen with out Tua. If Tua had continued to play against the Bengals, knowing Tua's 2nd half history, Mami probably win...Same goes with the Jets and Viking games, Tua plays, Miami probably wins.

Tua is a winner, you can't deny that.

 

[GRYPHONK]

the defense just doesn't "save our ass" when any other QB is playing. Also, there was more than one occasion last year when Tua helped the O take the lead in the 4th quarter only to see the D give up points.

Like Jax and Atlanta. If the defense held those leads, were the #2 seed in the playoffs.

This defense has a tendency of playing great until we get a lead lol

 

[AZStryker]

Well we disagree then on his projection and thats fine of course, i respect that your evaluation stemmed from college because i remember those debates with folks when he came out

Like most players coming out if they are not dolohins i dont study their games anymore unless there is a reason too.

So if you have studied in isolation as a pro and still have your convictions then perhaps you are right

Personally i woukd need to see more big games from him before coming to any conclusion’s from such a young player who had esrly success

I haven’t come to any final conclusion. I’ve simple stated right now he is what he has always been. I’ve also admitted that can change but think it’s highly unlikely. Right now I absolutely love Herbie! He’s extremely predictable and I bet heavily against him. For the past 2 years he’s been my human ATM!

 

[eMCee85]

Actually no, there are not a lot of games Miami won despite Tua.

There might be SOME games where Tua could have done more, but usually when Tua does not pull his weight, or is not playing, Miami loses.

This past weeks games against the Steelers with a rusty Tua is a good example, of one of those rare games where Tua could have done a bit more, but still did enough to help his team win.

The wins against the Pats, Ravens, and Bills don't happen with out Tua. If Tua had continued to play against the Bengals, knowing Tua's 2nd half history, Mami probably win...Same goes with the Jets and Viking games, Tua plays, Miami probably wins.

Tua is a winner, you can't deny that.

No I'm not denying that. His win loss record is definitely a good thing for us.

His wins have a much more to do with the fact that the wins are coming from complementary football at its finest. Whether it's the defense and/or special teams to seal the games. If its not them, then it's Tua. But really there have only been three games that we won BECAUSE of Tua... imo... Baltimore and Buffalo this year and Arizona his rookie year. The other aspect is we don't score much points with Tua at qb. For instance, according to teamrankings.com we are currently sitting at 19 in ppg at 21. The last three games averaging 16 ppg. The Chargers (since this is the origin of this convo) are sitting at 11th averaging 23.4 ppg. Not a big spread but in their last three games they are averaging 24 ppg compared to our 16. Now, we all know Tua wasn't playing those games so let's go back further. In 2021 Miami was sitting at 22nd at 20.1 ppg while the chargers were at 5 with 27.9. A much bigger margin.

At the end of the day, this only gives you a view of how powerful the offense is but W-L record is what matters. And Tua has the better W-L record lucky for us!!!

 

[eMCee85]

Correct.

But almost every game the defense saved our butts, We can also point to a critical 4th quarter drive that Tua and the offense either scored, or did enough to run down the clock.

That's what the poster was referencing. If we needed a 1st down, Tua got it no matter how poorly he may have been playing.

Herbert drives the field and throws an INT.

There's a reason Tua is statistically a top 3 QB in the 4th and in most categories 1st.

Yessir, not arguing that at all. It's just that people try so hard to take away Herbert's great QB play just because we have Tua!! It's comedic