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Emmanuel Acho going all in on Tua

As long as tua plays for my phins tua is the best there was and the best there is.
 
mrbunglez said:
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man I'm tired of these comparisons. Herbert is a hell of a qb and Tua has been looking good. The reason I don't like this is because how quickly the opinion can flip on a bad game from Tua. I like Tua, I want him to stay healthy tho and see how this season plays out. I'm willing to see it that Tua is better if miami gets to the playoffs with Tua and a lot due to Tua leading the team and if Herbert misses the playoffs again despite being the media's messiah
 
Ok, I know it's good to take Colin Cowherd's opinion with a grain of salt. I still wonder if he actually watches game or highlights or just spews out stuff just for the sake of it. He says Tua has limitations like it means tua can't be a championship qb. I mean Tua is talented, but yes there are some if we talk about somethings. Tua is a not a big qb, he doesn't have a rocket arm, but has one that can make all or most throws. Often a rocket arm is a bonus and not necessity to greatness and Tua is not athletic like Murray, Allen, mahomes and such. But Tua is above average athletic if we consider his shiftiness not just in the pocket but ability to make defenders miss running down the field. Athletic running is not just straight line speed but agility as well. Tannehill is faster than Tua, but idk if I've ever seen him juke out defenders down the field or shifty like Tua. Btw if we go with that limitations thing, Brady had limitations. He's tall and big, but one of the least athletic qb ever, but that didn't stop him from being the goat. Drew Brees had limitations, he's a hof, Montana had decent height, but not tall like Brady, herbert, or mannin, and more slender build. He also didn't have a rocket arm. He was the goat before Brady.

I'm not saying Tua is these guys or will ever be great, but too much attention is about the supposed 'perfect prototype qb" and what it means about them being great. So much of greatness are the intangibles. Anyway Colin said Tua can't make plays off script and it has to be scripted, blah blah. Yes Tua can't adlib or do plays on his own like Mahomes, murray or Allen scrambling around and creating a play passing. While he's not like that, the guy has and can make plays and passes when a play breaks down. Did he not see Tua's madden spin move td pass vs ravens? That's completely making a play with pressure at him and things broke down and creating a play.
 
circumstances said:
Or the new Jay Cutler!
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nah, Herbert doesn't have games like him. Herbert doesn't throw that many interceptions. Cutler could have a greater game than herbert with like almost 400 passing yards and 4 tds, but 2 weeks later throw for 150 yards and 4 interceptions. Cutler was quite mercurial with his performance. When he was good, he was almost unstoppable, but when he was bad, man he looked crappy. Physical talent wise they compare tho. Cutler was a big qb, rocket arm also and was a pretty good athlete running too if he wanted too
 
circumstances said:
If Tua keeps up the good Fantasy numbers, the doofuses will eventually have their "aha moment" on this subject.
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Right! It seems most people today are more concerned with a Fantasy championship than an actual NFL championship. Granted neither has won a NFL championship yet.
 
brumdog44 said:
Last year he was tied for 8th in yards per pass. And while he threw a lot -- they were third in attempts -- they were better than that in total passing yards (second).

If we are going by per stats -- since Herbert has been in the league:

Herbert

1000 passes, 662 completions, 7,212 yards, 51 touchdowns, 18 interceptions.

Average NFL quarterback:

1000 passes, 644 completions, 6,605 yards, 39 touchdowns, 22 interceptions.

I would say he's exceeded every single per stat you can measure.

Compare to -- in the same time frame:

Tom Brady:
1000 passes, 647 completions, 7,317 yards, 56 touchdowns, 15 interceptions.

Tua:
1000 passes, 664 completions, 6,960, 43 touchdowns, 22 interceptions

Herbert's numbers are closer to Brady's than they are to Tua's.
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By per stats, I mean efficiency... As in yards per attempts, TDs per attempts, and so on... Totals dont tell you anything, efficiency wins games.

While my response was to someone talking about his rookie year, it still applies to his career numbers.

Since he got into the league... compared to every other QB to start at least 20 games in that time frame. (28 QBs fit the filter)

Pass attempts: 2nd

Comp%: 17th
TD%: 12th
Rating: 12th
Yards per pass attempts: 17th

My original post wasnt about who was better Herbert or Tua... I was just stating the fact that Herbert is an average QB at this point in his career.
 
EJay said:
Let's see Tua's career Q4 numbers compared to Mr. Herbert's. :)
I don't really need to see them, I already know.

Herbert checks all the boxes of what most believe an NFL QB should look like. And sometimes he is very, very good. No doubt.

But he's awfully inconsistent and often fades throughout games. Same thing he displayed in college.

Meanwhile Tua, despite whatever flaws, has consistently been a clutch performer going back to at least his true freshman year in college. And that trend has continued on into the NFL.

We kept hearing all off-season leading up to this season -- "no more excuses" re: Tua. But when are the excuses for Justin Herbert going to end?

If we are eliminating "excuses" then despite the lack of an offensive line and offensive weapons or support from his coaching staff --- Tua has still forged a winning record as starting QB.

How come Justin Herbert hasn't been able to do the same? He's no doubt had to play with the hand he'd been dealt as well. But hasn't been able to overcome to the same degree.

And he has had better offensive talent and an o-line surrounding him his 1st couple seasons. The defense was suspect, but all I heard this off-season was the additions of Khalil Mack and JC Jackson to Joey Bosa and Derwin James was going to change the narrative. But so far it hasn't. And the Chargers easily could be 2-5 instead of 4-3.

You could argue that Tua and Herbert have dealt with polar opposite situations.

Tua had little-to-no coaching support, multiple coordinators, inept offensive line and play makers but a solid and sometimes very good defense.
Herbert has very good coaching support, solid offensive line and viable play makers but a subpar defense.

But Tua is still the one that has overcome the obstacles better.

Everything Emmanuel Acho said is true. I just wish more in the mainstream media could recognize it.
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To your point, Tua always had the "it" factor. Herbert is a good quarterback, but I'm not sure he has that "it" factor. Put it this way, the edge goes to Tua in the clutch moments if we're comparing the two quarterbacks.

Tua, although he had the much better college career, was the bolder pick by Grier as he was coming off that hip surgery. I don't doubt that Herbert had the higher upside in some categories.

That injured history is really my big concern with Tua. Other than that, it's looking more and more like a home run pick.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
To your point, Tua always had the "it" factor. Herbert is a good quarterback, but I'm not sure he has that "it" factor. Put it this way, the edge goes to Tua in the clutch moments if we're comparing the two quarterbacks.

Tua, although he had the much better college career, was the bolder pick by Grier as he was coming off that hip surgery. I don't doubt that Herbert had the higher upside in some categories.

That injured history is really my big concern with Tua. Other than that, it's looking more and more like a home run pick.
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In the long run Tua is going to be the guy and the solid pick we wanted. One more year and he will be the savvy guy we all wished for.
 
tay0365 said:
There is a difference in making plays when it counts, and is most needed, and making plays when it does not matter as much...This is why Tua wins while Herbert continues to fail in games. PRESSURE TIME
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Oh please, there are a lot of games we have won despite Tua and the offense. Our defense saved our ass almost all year last year and just this last game.
 
WCUPUNK said:
Been saying it for over a year, Herbert is a Phillip Rivers clone. Good QB, puts of great numbers, and shrinks in big moments.
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im gonna go on record and say this is absolutely false. and that Herbert is going to be a very good qb in this league and Rivers was the most overrated qb in nfl history.

man is playing hurt
 
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