Espn Barnwell Has Dolphins Offense Ranked 31

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  1. kellyh3034

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    Cleveland from 32nd in scoring last year all the way to 13. I'll believe it when I actually see it.
     
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    Well if he was being honest and said that he has no clue how good they'll be then noone would read it.......

    Most optimistic Dolphin fans foresee a drastic improvement in QB play, a more consistent o-line, and a full year of Drake. Most fans that do not follow the team see an already bad offense that experienced an exodus of high end talent that was replaced by journeyman free agents.
     
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    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ide-receivers-tight-ends-32-1-2017-nfl-season

    this is his list from last year at this time
    LA Rams - 29 (finished 1st in scoring o and 10th in yards)
    KC - 27 (finished 6th in scoring and 5th in yards)
    Lions - 22 (finished 7th in scoring and 13th in yards)
    Vikings - 21 (finished 10th in scoring and 11th in yards)
    Eagles - 17 (finished 3rd in scoring and 7th in yards and won superbowl)
    Miami - 3 (LMAO)
     
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    He is basing this on skill position players only, so just WRs, TEs and RBs.

    I still think he is undervaluing them, but at least that makes a bit more sense. Stills, Gore and Drake have done enough to make them higher than 31 on the list IMO.
     
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    My question to some of these media members is why is Frank Gore's roll so hard for them to understand? So Gore is Ajayi's replacement? That's interesting. It's truly amazing to me that these guys can be so lazy in their research, or even common sense in this case, and they still have jobs. Anybody who watched football or played fantasy football and simply watched the stats should realize Kenyan Drake is our featured back. Gore's roll here is so freakin obvious it amazes me that guys like this don't see it. He's hear to be a veteran in the room and spell Drake from time to time. That's it! Instead we are the 31st ranked offense with a 35 year old featured back, what an idiot.
     
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    I will say this and people may not wanna hear it . . . But far too much confidence in Ryan Tannehill and this restructured offensive line around these parts this early in the process.

    Hopefully Sitton comes in and dominates, but we always seem to get these guys late when it’s more paychecks and maybe less focus on being the stud we hope he is.

    I’m not a big Kilgore fan at all, think we downgraded, although the consistency is what we are seeking which we didn’t have from an uncertain Mike Pouncey.

    Davis and Larsen at RG still don’t wow me, despite Davis playing well last year.

    The bookends struggled last year often, and hopefully a guy like Sitton fits in and improves the overall play, but I am not overly confident that happens, just hopeful.

    And of course Ryan Tannehill. We’ll see man. i completely understand outsiders not having much confidence, hell they didn’t have much pre injury, nearly two years later why should that change.

    I also think Amendola is overrated and oft injured and Wilson will need pristine ball placement to see his true potential. If we get the best out of both and they stay healthy, they’ll be better than Landry . . . .but lord is that a big if coming from a durable safety blanket with a big catch radius and solid rac.

    What I do like? Parker, Stills, Gore and Drake. The toes tingle if Ryan and this oline works out well

    31st does seem harsh. But I haven’t seen the other teams either
     
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    Ahh so just weapons?

    Yea I can see the 31st ranking, especially after last year and the QB doubt.

    Clearly at their best, the skill players are not 31st, but media outlets will continue to factor in the QB play into the equation, and they aren’t lovin Tannehill.
     
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    The irony is, Miami's arsenal is certainly better this year than last.

    To even discuss Miami's skill position players and not mention the drastic change in QB shows how uninformed this guy is.

    To wait until the last sentence to mention Kenyan Drake's name? Then to say he might get squeezed out a bit?

    Sometimes it's better to sneak up on people.

    I am sure Mike Vrabel is looking at tape of Parker, Stills, Grant, Gesicki, Drake, Gore, Amendola and Wilson and not smiling while doing it.

    It's easy to look around the NFL and pick unit's from other teams to be envious about and want to replace our unit with there's. Like Minnesota's LB's, Dallas's OL, Jax's DL. I am not spending too much time day dreaming about swapping our skill position players for Pittsburgh's, LAR or Atlanta's. Not because they aren't stacked (although none possess a TE like MG) but because they're top heavy and it's just not needed.
     
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    to be fair it is just skill position players which doesn't include Tannehill. In saying that, the same guy had New England at number 1 last year and that's excluding Brady so his opinion is completely worthless to me. I'm not surprised we are ranked lower though, last year you had Ajayi who everyone thought would be a top 5 back. We also had Landry who everyone thought was a top slot receiver and parker who was about to breakout. You also had all these guys who previously played with Tannehill who obviously makes them look better than Cutler does lol. Our team is full of potential, but Tannehill is the x-factor anyways. He's the one that will maximize the skill positions so this list is meaningless to me
     
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    I get that it's just "arsenal" but it needs to factor into the equation that a lot of our players were downgraded just because of Jay Cutler.

    2016 Kenny Stills was no different than 2017 Kenny Stills, the player. The production obviously wasn't there too which I would say, not his fault.
     
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    The road to 2-14 is clear now boy!
     
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    I will say this . . . .this time last year I felt more comfortable with the skills than I do now.

    I thought we had a hands down top 3 WR trio and excited for Ajayi year 3 and Thomas reunited with Gase along with Fasano as the #1 blocking TE in the NFL.

    This year not nearly as confident.
     
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    Las Vegas is not backing these guys up on these narratives anymore.

    The season win total had started out at 5.5 but it's quickly gone to 6.5 or even 7 wins (which I believe is what I saw on Forbes).

    And that's saying something because the correlation between Vegas win totals and your previous year's win total (in our case 6) is like 83% or something like that. So basically your Vegas futures win total is going to be whatever your record was last year, within a narrow band (4.5 wins to 11.5 wins), give or take a little, maybe a little reversion to the mean, etc.
     
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    Okay, so I started reading, frankly to pick his rankings apart as I do see that many including a better=rated Colts are kind of low hanging fruit.

    However, as soon as I saw him say that the Dolphins were "scapegoating" Ajayi to cover up their own problems, I said "**** that uninformed *******.. I can already see the biases" and tapped out.
     
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    So we are hearing both positives and negatives from the media. Some think Miami will surprise, others are saying probably top five pick. The thing is, for virtually every team you could make an argument as to why the team will go 6-10 or 10-6 at this point in the offseason.

    It's pretty much put up or shut up time for Miami. I see an offense that, based on talent and IMO, should be at least slightly above NFL average. Certainly there are questions raised in this post as to the legitimacy of the offensive line, whether Sitton will remain dominant, how good Kilgore is etc. Those are fair questions. To me, the offense needs to take off in year three of Adam Gase, or it might be time to look elsewhere. There is a lot for this team to prove and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
     
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    I think this is great news that most publications, sport networks, and Vegas think of Miami as bottom feeders, or at best, mediocre... I just wished the offence had been ranked 32nd.

    Eventually opponents with all this bad press, and low rankings, will start to buy what everyone else is selling...So what if with Tannehill, the offense ran well, and much better then the way Jay Cutler ran it...so what if Miami still has very talented receivers, but now have much better TEs...So what if Drake looked like the best RB in the NFL by the end of last season, but now has a Veteran backing him up in Gore, that still good enough to have 1000 yard seasons, and a Rookie in Ballage that has done nothing but impress so far...So what if Miami lost nothing at center, but made huge gains at guard.

    Please NFL keep believing Miami will be nothing special on Offense...Or even Defense for that matter.
     
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    What else can you be at this point? I think most phin fans know what they have in Tannehill. There still is a possibility of a mid career renaissance where the mental aspects of the game start to click but far more likely is that he is the same QB he was in 2016....not bad and not great.

    Pretending to know what you're going to get out of a free agent interior lineman is a fools errand. There are so many factors that impact their performance on the field which have nothing to do with individual talent. I do think if the phins can get 12+ games with the same starting 5 the line is pretty much guaranteed to be better than what they had last season.
     
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    I get the variability. Look at it this way. Of the projected starters, there are questions about Kilgore, Davis, Sitton, James, Tunsil, Parker, Amendola, Wilson, Gesicke, and Tannehill. And that doesn't include Landry, Pouncey, Ajayi, and Gase. IMO, not all are REASONABLE questions, but questions nonetheless. Those with a pessimistic bent see all these questions, see Miami's history post-Marino, and turn those questions into likelihoods. Some, unfortunately, see all the questions and predict all will turn out as playing to potential. Most of us see the questions and predict we will mostly see the same players we saw last year, and some of the new faces will play to potential. Even there, there are degrees. I see Sitton and Gesicki as confident (not guaranteed) upgrades. About half the remainder will play well, possibly more.

    That's a long way of saying, projections based on mindset are all over the map. My hope is Gase takes all these predictions and posts them in the locker room in mid-August.
     
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    This is, I believe, an accurate thought. However, for those of us who search for news 365, we understand the detail of last year’s no Pouncey practice, Jesse Davis emergence, etc. my question; why do they not have staff that gives national writers the knowledge that any forum reader has.
     
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    What a joke those ratings are. It's sad to see what passes for journalism these days. It will be good fun to revisit this trash after the season.
     
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    Maybe he doesn’t understand how the order should go?? Like he thinks 32nd is the best?
     
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    I've stopped reading anything by Barnwell because I long ago realised that he's a sanctimonious idiot.
     
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    Some posters talk about his 2016 season on here like it is up there with Marino's 84 season.

    There was a post here a month or so ago that compared the first 77 games of Drew Brees and Ryan Tannehill. Read it if you want and tell me if you still think the fanbase knows what they have in Tannehill. Just to give you an idea, i was mocked for saying it was apples and oranges to compare the two.
     
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    Not clicking on the link....not sure why i even clicked on the thread (no offense to kellyh3034).
     
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    Nothing wrong with the article at all, he threw in some opinion and facts to justify his claim....the Dolphins will have to prove them all wrong that's all.
     
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    Well our worst ranking with a Tannehill lead offense has been 27th twice, so I can't see why we would all of sudden be 31st. I could maybe see us being bad but not 31st bad, maybe the low 20's. But since I expect them to go 10-6 I see a top 15 offense.
     
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    Yeah that team has to many new pieces and they won't know what to do. It will be something to watch.
     
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    If I am being honest, they should be top 5 on this list for potential and ability (talking of their skill players).

    Gordon, Landry, Coleman, Hyde, Chubb, Johnson, Njoku . . .and heaven forbid if Callaway has turned the corner and gets on the field.

    And I think people are sleeping heavily on Tyrod Taylor. He is a great fit and has the skill players to bail him out when he needs to improvise.

    Obviously they are the Browns, so It is hard to project their offense so high plus a lot of questionable characters, but the potential is damn high.
     
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    Landry is that good man. lol.

    But in all seriousness............yeah Cleveland should be the next St. Louis and if they aren't it is total club failure based solely on effort and not talent.
     
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    None taken.
     
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    I wouldn't say top 5. Probably top 10. They may have the people but if Landry does what he did in Miami by not studying his playbook and not caring that team and everyone around him will fail. I'm not saying he'll run the team but usually if a key player slacks off then so will everyone else. Look at Ajayi when he was here he was fantastic last year then he slacked off and was terrible for us last season. Glad we traded him but not for what we got.
     
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    Who's their HC, I forget ??
     
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    Hue Jackson (though I’m sure u knew that ;))

    He has not been very good. However the Browns were smart enough to bring in an experienced OC in Todd Haley this offseason which gives Hue a proper opportunity to coach his team and hopefully mesh all of this potential into a winning product. Hue has had a very positive offseason with his foundation doing tremendous work in the community and got major publicity for it. Ultimately 1 win in 2 years ain’t good enough, but he must be one hell of a dude to overcome that. No excuses this year. He has the players on both sides of the ball, the quarterbacks and quality coaches on both sides of the ball.

    Now we will have to see about our HC, who decided on hiring another “guy he knows” as the OC, while he does double duty as HC and playcaller. Loggins was considered the worst playcaller in the NFL in some circles last year so we know he ain’t here to do that.

    That head coaching gap better be huge, in addition to Ryan Tannehill 2018 vs. Taylor/Mayfield, because the Browns have more talent on the field, on the coaching staff and in the front office than we do, and the gap is significant.
     
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    I just don't agree at all that somehow the 49ers have better offensive weapons than us. Or the Ravens for that matter...

    But honestly, I agree that most of our talent is either in depth, young/unproven, and "hopeful"....so I'm not shocked we're low on that list.
     
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    The qb hasn't played in a year and a half.
    The starting RB has roughly 5-6 games of meaningful game action under his belt
    The o-line has been reshuffled again.
    The TE group is new
    The WR corps looks alot different than it did last year.

    What do you guys expect these guys to write?
     
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    People get way too offended by preseason rankings. I don't believe this team is going to be good this year, so 31 doesn't surprise me (I am expecting the Dolphins to pick in the top 5 next year). I'm not sure how anyone can still have high expectations year after year, this team has beaten any optimism out of me.
     
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    Espn hires whoever will fit and fill their agenda not whoever has any type of sense or knowledge about sports
     
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    doesn't account for qb or o line if you open the article

    his rankings make some sense, but we're still too low looking at other teams surrounding us on the list
     
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    Skill position players are not gonna hold the offense back.

    The potential thing that will hold the offense back is the play of the offensive line. Skill position players are [largely] going to be able to run the offense -- and in a way that it hasn't been able to run yet.

    If the OL regresses... well, it will hurt. Still won't turn it into 31 ranking.

    LD
     

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