Feeley should start...

[Dolphins561]

I'm personally a Feeley fan. Of the choices we have, it's Feeley. I totally agree with letting him learn. I mean, I don't expect the Super Bowl this year. I would be happy with over 500. But why try and build something around a 33 QB who won't be around in another year or two. I totally agree with all of your points. We should give him the chance.

 

[djfresh47]

The difference is Eddie Moore has good players ahead of him. LB is not the the same as QB and doesn't take the amount of time to develop. If Moore could ever stay on the field then we would see what he could do. As of right now he hasn't shown anything, while Feely has at least shown some type of potential.

I hate the word potential. I wouldn't call Donnie Spragan a good player, he's better than Eddie Moore right now, as Gus maybe better than Aj right now, and if he is than he should definately start.

 

[Sirspud]

I hate the word potential. I wouldn't call Donnie Spragan a good player, he's better than Eddie Moore right now, as Gus maybe better than Aj right now, and if he is than he should definately start.

A quarterback is something you build around, LB is not. By giving AJ a chance we are giving our team a chance to have a starting QB for quite a few years. By starting Frerotte we are giving our team a chance to be decent for a few years until he retires. LB is an easier position to reach your full potential than QB.

 

[djfresh47]

A quarterback is something you build around, LB is not. By giving AJ a chance we are giving our team a chance to have a starting QB for quite a few years. By starting Frerotte we are giving our team a chance to be decent for a few years until he retires. LB is an easier position to reach your full potential than QB.

Tell the Baltimore Ravens that. AJ has a chance to win the job, and if he doesn't, than the team should just hand him the job? I find that ridiculous, and a slap in the face of every veteran player on the team who wants to have success now. Aj is 28, he's not a rookie, he's been in the league 5 years and if he can't beat out a career backup than he's not a starting caliber QB in the league.

 

[TarHeelFinFan]

The difference is Eddie Moore has good players ahead of him. LB is not the the same as QB and doesn't take the amount of time to develop. If Moore could ever stay on the field then we would see what he could do. As of right now he hasn't shown anything, while Feely has at least shown some type of potential.

The potential to throw for six TO THE OTHER TEAM at critical points more than any other player in history?

 

[TarHeelFinFan]

Also, FEELEY IS NOT YOUNG!!!!!!!!!!!! HE'S 28 YEARS OLD, WHICH FOR A FOOTBALL PLAYER IS DAMN NEAR GERIATRIC. Stop the young excuses, they're almost as old as AJ.

 

[Dolphins84]

regardless of how the pre-season "competition" goes... unless of course Frerotte shows enough skills to be looked at as a legitimate pro-bowl contendor this year, and I think that is unlikely.

Hear me out...

Feeley, DEFINITELY has natural skill when it comes to throwing the ball. He throws accurately, has the strength to make any throw, and generally hits the receiver in stride when he has time to throw. His problems are mainly that he is young and inexperienced, and because of this hasn't learned the nuances of the game as far as reading defenses, looking off defenders, and maintaining his composure in the face of a pass rush.

These are all things that can be learned and most QB's develop these skills over time. I mean as much as Fiedler gets hate, no one can deny that he improved greatly in those categories (although he was never afraid of a pass rush) the longer he started here. His problem was he never had the arm to make all the throws, and I would argue with the injuries he sustained while he was here his arm got worse and worse. If you look at just about ANY rookie QB in the league (even Roethlisberger) none of them have these skills until they have started about 1.5-3 years worth of games. Look at Peyton Manning, if they had given up on him after his first full season, they would have missed out on one of the most Successful QB's in the league over the last few years, and he developed MUCH faster than most. Feeley doesn't have much more experience than a rookie does at this point in his career, so he should be looked at pretty much the same way... although with a bit shorter leash, because of age, and the situation the team is in with rebuilding.

We have invested a lot in Feeley, and I think we need to find out if that investment is worth it. Put him in, let him play at least half the season in the new offense, and see what he is made of. Even the most optimistic fans of the team don't expect much better than 8-8 out of the team (and that's a stretch), so why continue to hold back the development of a player we have invested a lot in, and get no closer to finding our long-term solution at the most important position on the team, by starting Gus, who will not likely be a long-term solution?

If Feeley makes it to the midpoint of the season, and hasn't shown any progress, and no signs that he is the answer... fine. Pull him, let Gus take over, and give some of the other players on the team a chance to finish with a bang and get some confidence leading into next season. Then, do everything we can to draft a top QB early next year, and let him play behind Gus and come along slowly.

We have too much invested in Feeley, to not give him the chance needed to show if he is worth it. Personally, I beleive it is unfair to expect Feeley, a guy with limited experience in a new system, to be able to WIN a competition against a Veteran, like Frerotte, who already knows the system. As long as he shows promise and some flashes, which I beleive he already has (See New England last year), I beleive he should be given the position and a chance to grow into the starter.

This might be the stupidest comment i ever heard in my life. Feeley is terrible. he cant read defenses, he locks onto one reciever and only throws to that person, he got a strong arm but cant handle the pressure and makes stupid decisions, he cant do stuff consistently for example he will make a great throw one play and then the next play he throws an interception to the other team for a touchdown. i dont think he is even good enough to be the back up for an NFL team and one of the best coaches in the NFL must agree with me because andy reid had feeley as a backup to KOY DETMER. IF he isnt good enough to be ahead of koy he isnt good enough to be a starter in the NFL. and if i remember right he didnt even start in college so i dont see what you think is so good about this guy and how you expect him to become a solid NFL starter. Gus should be given the job and the only way for him not to start is if he loses the job by his own performance but he should be given the starting position without question. I dont understand what any of you see in feeley. All i see is him lead us to a 3 and out everytime we get the ball. he did it all of last year and in the first preseason game this year.

 

[Dudeman]

I hate the word potential. I wouldn't call Donnie Spragan a good player, he's better than Eddie Moore right now, as Gus maybe better than Aj right now, and if he is than he should definately start.

I may not like him, but Jon Gruden has a pretty famous quote. Something along the lines of "I hate the word potential, what I care about is execution....thats all that matters"

 

[King Madison II]

If Feeley was handed the job, shouldn't Eddie Moore also be handed a starting LB job?

if this is true then I should be given the job in the white house . with bob knight assisting me. along with eddie moore and donald lee as my chief of staff.
:sr23: :harm:

 

[Sirspud]

Tell the Baltimore Ravens that. AJ has a chance to win the job, and if he doesn't, than the team should just hand him the job? I find that ridiculous, and a slap in the face of every veteran player on the team who wants to have success now. Aj is 28, he's not a rookie, he's been in the league 5 years and if he can't beat out a career backup than he's not a starting caliber QB in the league.

Sorry, I haven't been clear. I was more trying to say that QB is a unique position because it has so many mental aspects that only come with expereience. A QB can have good physical tools like AJ does, but they need to develop the mental side. Linebacker is alot different because, while it does involve a mental side, it doesn't require the kind of mental development that QB does. I didn't really mean that you can't have a dominant LB that you form a defense around, I meant that QB is a position that is most important on your team and having stability at the position sometimes requires giving a young Qb experience so he develops into the role.

 

[Sirspud]

I may not like him, but Jon Gruden has a pretty famous quote. Something along the lines of "I hate the word potential, what I care about is execution....thats all that matters"

Maybe that's one of the reasons why the Bucs are in the dumps. Both the Bucs and Raiders formed around veterans, some which the term "veteran" hardly even applies because they are collecting social security while playing. Both teams were good for a year or two then fell into the pits. Maybe if he would have had the foresight to develop players instead of bringing in high priced guys, they wouldn't have lost all their talent because they would have had talented young players.

 

[Oregonfinfan]

This might be the stupidest comment i ever heard in my life. Feeley is terrible. he cant read defenses, he locks onto one reciever and only throws to that person, he got a strong arm but cant handle the pressure and makes stupid decisions, he cant do stuff consistently for example he will make a great throw one play and then the next play he throws an interception to the other team for a touchdown. i dont think he is even good enough to be the back up for an NFL team and one of the best coaches in the NFL must agree with me because andy reid had feeley as a backup to KOY DETMER. IF he isnt good enough to be ahead of koy he isnt good enough to be a starter in the NFL. and if i remember right he didnt even start in college so i dont see what you think is so good about this guy and how you expect him to become a solid NFL starter. Gus should be given the job and the only way for him not to start is if he loses the job by his own performance but he should be given the starting position without question. I dont understand what any of you see in feeley. All i see is him lead us to a 3 and out everytime we get the ball. he did it all of last year and in the first preseason game this year.

You are one of the most ignorant, misinformed people I have ever seen post on this board:mad: First of all anyone who knows anything on this board knows that the only reason AJ was third string in Phili was because KORKY was the holder for the fg's if mcnabb was to have goen down Feeley woudl have gotten the start, Also Feeley did start in college but hurt his elbow and had to have surgery and when he came back harrington had lit the world on fire and so he did not get his job back, obviously he was still good enough to be drafted or he wouldn't have been and when we traded for him we were not the only team trying to get him we were just the only team willing to give to much to get him
so please inform yourself before making unintelligent post. :confused:

 

[adamprez2003]

Over the last couple days alot of people believe Frerotte is somehow ahead. He's not. Neither one pulled away yet. If one actually does then I say go with whoever is better. But, if this competition continues to go the way it has been going and they are still even at the end of preseason then I say go with Feeley.

He showed improvement from last season Monday and there's no reason to believe he wont continue to improve. He showed touch which he seemed to lack last year and he actually did not lock onto his receivers half the time which is a huge improvement and one that will continue since the coaching staff keeps stressing it. The biggest improvement was that he threw the ball away and took the sack instead of heaving it for a pick like he did early last season. The turnovers are gone from his game. I believe he is up to 180 something passes with just one pick now. He still needs to deal with the pass rush better but he was fine Monday.

So to me Frerotte needs to outplay him to start and I dont think he's going to be able to do that

 

[grooves12]

If QB's had to "flat out win the job" then a lot of young QB"s with talent would never get on the field. There are times where coaches have to play the younger guy with potential instead of a veteran who make look more comfortable, but has been in the league long enough to show that he is only mediocre. Frerotte in some ways was comparable to Kelly Holcombe in Cleveland a few years ago, who won the QB battle with Tim Couch and yet only aspired to play mediocre ball. That's probably a horrible example cause Tim Couch sucked, but you have to go with young guys with potential unless the veteran is incredible. Another example would be in SD, where Flutie was obviously the more crafty and comfortable QB, yet when he was given a chance to start played like........Doug Flutie. It took a while for Brees, but the young guy had to get a chance to develop.

Exactly... this was my whole point. It would be different if Frerotte was an aging Favre or any slew of other successful starters, but Gus is just another stop-gap at the position. Did New York gain anything by starting Kurt Warner?? Wouldn't the added experience for Manning have been more valuable?? Why not go back to Warner or go to the 3rd string when he stunk up the joint?? Because they know he is going to need time to develop and become succesful at the position. At this point he has nearly as many starts as Feeley does.

The QB position is different than just about any other position in the NFL and it needs to be treated differently when it comes to picking the starter. Any other position, it makes sense to pick the guy that gives you the best chance to win NOW... because it doesn't take long to grow into those positions, and it has been shown that players can develop at the position while on the bench. That is not the case for QB's... the successful ones are given time to develop, and it seems like development only comes from live action. It is near impossible to try to mix and match and plug in the new flavor of the week at QB and expect to be successful. They need to grow into the role... and become comfortable with the scheme, their team-mates, and the position itself. So, why start a seasoned player that has shown mediocrity, when you have a player with more physical skills likely to give you the same mediocrity, but with potential to become much much more?

If Gus looks absolutely amazing at the position... fine, start him. But, I don't think that will be the case. I think he will have a slight edge on Feeley, due mostly to his knowledge of the playbook, and in that scenario I say we let Feeley show what he's got.

 

[Sirspud]

Actualy, i disagree with the Warner situation in NY because he was a former MVP. It was actually foolish to have pulled him when they did, because they had above a .500 record, and 3-4 more wins would have easily gotten them into the playoffs in an extrememly weak conference. Of course, Manning's experience will pay off this year, but they were about to qualify for the playoffs despite their best effort.