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Finally, Cortland Finnegan's contract numbers

LOL at some of the same people that complain about giving Finnegan guaranteed money yet cry when our first round draft pick is forced to sign a contract with offset language.
 
MRojas4 said:
Out of curiosity what are thoughts on the Peppers to GB deal? 3/$30/$7.5 Guaranteed

Peppers had a bad year with the Bears and no one squaks about how that is not a bad deal.

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So we basically took Patterson's money and gave it to Finnegan. :ponder:
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Yes, one 30 year old CB with injury problems, who has had 4 good games in 2 years for another who "was" better.
 
FearTheBeard said:
I don't get this logic...sure it's not our money but we sit through pitiful season after pitiful season. If there's better options out there and we paid more for a lesser option I think it's a pretty worthy conversation point.
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Don't forget, a guy has to be willing to come. It's only a "better option" if the player is interested. There will be corner options in other years. Finnigan, if healthy, should be very competant and add a nastiness to the defense that it has lacked. He can play the slot, he can help guys like Taylor along. I'll take his long term track record - with the assumption that his nagging injuries are behind him - over committing longer term to other "options" or some of the lesser experienced players that were out there. Don't rely too much on PFF. To be fair, look at their ratings of other positions and you'll see some peculiarities there too. Take a look at Clabo's rating after 2012. So much of football is how you use your players and using their strengths in addition to having a healthy body out there.
 
MRojas4 said:
And the Broncos risked the entire franchise for a guy coming of 6 neck surgeries. :idk:
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Cortland Finnegan and Louis Delmas can play in the league for over 200 years and not have any production Peyton has. Analogy does not work at all here.

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andyahs said:
What Patterson was healthy?
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There were a ton of other corners to pursue. I didn't mention Patterson once.
 
Andyman said:
Don't forget, a guy has to be willing to come. It's only a "better option" if the player is interested. There will be corner options in other years. Finnigan, if healthy, should be very competant and add a nastiness to the defense that it has lacked. He can play the slot, he can help guys like Taylor along. I'll take his long term track record - with the assumption that his nagging injuries are behind him - over committing longer term to other "options" or some of the lesser experienced players that were out there. Don't rely too much on PFF. To be fair, look at their ratings of other positions and you'll see some peculiarities there too. Take a look at Clabo's rating after 2012. So much of football is how you use your players and using their strengths in addition to having a healthy body out there.
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It's not just PFF but, the NFL, and CBS all saying the same. Do you disagree with all of them? IF so, tell me why?
 
RobertHorry said:
Cortland Finnegan and Louis Delmas can play in the league for over 200 years and not have any production Peyton has. Analogy does not work at all here.

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There were a ton of other corners to pursue. I didn't mention Patterson once.
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Not sure if analogy but Finnegan/Delmas get crumb contracts and Peyton gets a franchise deal.

How is that different? Finnegan/Delmas have as much risk/reward per dollar amount to Peyton's risk/reward per dollar amount.

The return on investment seems parallel if we compare.
 
Nublar7 said:
It isn't like the Dolphins are strapped for cap space and even after this move still have one of the largest amounts available. A $4.5 million cap hit for a starting cornerback is not absurd.

Yeah he struggled the past couple of year(injuries hurt him big time last season) and maybe he turns out to be over the hill and doesn't work out. We can cut our losses after 2014 and move on. We paid Patterson more last season and he only played 6 games. This move imo is more about adding more of a veteran presence to this team and some leadership. His value might be felt more when it comes to setting an example and helping out the young guys like Taylor and Davis. Ultimately we want Taylor to become the starter opposite of Grimes, maybe that happens this year or next year.

Don't really mind taking a chance on Finnegan. If it works out, it could pay off big time. Some times in this league you have to take risks.
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Exactly. That's what's missing in all of this. We don't know what the internal conversations were regarding the type of corner they were looking for. We may all hear names like DRC and Browner, etc., floating around, but who's to say that our coaches like these players as a schematic fit for what they want to do next year?

I for one notice a resounding theme in the DBs we decided to pick up. Scrappy, nasty, hard nosed, touch, head hunting, vocal leaders. I for one didn't see a single player like that on our entire defense last year. Don't overlook the importance of a good lightning rod to push fire into somewhat flat defense. Wake, Ellerbe, Rashad Jones, Grimes, these are all fairly quiet, lead by example kind of players. There's tons of talent on this defense, but inject some fire into these boys and they can be elite.
 
Like I said earlier, I think the reason I am not overally worked up about this signing/contract is because I don't think our secondary is going to live or die based on Finnegan's on field play. I think he is more valuable as a teacher and leader for the younger guys and I have faith that Taylor is going to take a big step in his development. I think that is why you go for someone like him over a big money young guy, no need if Taylor is what we hope he is. Plus I think Will Davis is the wildcard in all of this. For a one year commitment I think it is worth the risk, plus if he recaptures his old self it is a home run signing and the salary doesn't matter at all.

People had the same concerns and doubt with Grimes last year and it couldn't have worked out any better for the Dolphins.
 
I give the FO and coaching staff the benefit of the doubt regarding Patterson injury status, no one knows his health better than them, My problem will be if they don't bring in another vet cb....if they are serious about a playoff run they can't go into the season with that big question mark at starting CB when you didn't keep the backup in Carroll....if we go into the season like this it would be just like Ireland going into the season last yr with a mentally unstable LT with no options if he crashed and burned....hope they don't make the same mistake....
 
Nublar7 said:
Like I said earlier, I think the reason I am not overally worked up about this signing/contract is because I don't think our secondary is going to live or die based on Finnegan's on field play. I think he is more valuable as a teacher and leader for the younger guys and I have faith that Taylor is going to take a big step in his development. I think that is why you go for someone like him over a big money young guy, no need if Taylor is what we hope he is. Plus I think Will Davis is the wildcard in all of this. For a one year commitment I think it is worth the risk, plus if he recaptures his old self it is a home run signing and the salary doesn't matter at all.

People had the same concerns and doubt with Grimes last year and it couldn't have worked out any better for the Dolphins.
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Then sign him as a coach.....
 
NYPhinzFan said:
Exactly. That's what's missing in all of this. We don't know what the internal conversations were regarding the type of corner they were looking for. We may all hear names like DRC and Browner, etc., floating around, but who's to say that our coaches like these players as a schematic fit for what they want to do next year?

I for one notice a resounding theme in the DBs we decided to pick up. Scrappy, nasty, hard nosed, touch, head hunting, vocal leaders. I for one didn't see a single player like that on our entire defense last year. Don't overlook the importance of a good lightning rod to push fire into somewhat flat defense. Wake, Ellerbe, Rashad Jones, Grimes, these are all fairly quiet, lead by example kind of players. There's tons of talent on this defense, but inject some fire into these boys and they can be elite.
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Alsmot like Ray Lewis in Baltimore in his final years. Wasn't anywhere near the player he was in his prime, but his veteran leadership really helped the young players and the attitude of the defense. Even though he was being outplayed by the younger guys such as Ellerbe.

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jvw said:
Then sign him as a coach.....
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Being a veteran leader and helping the young guys is not the same as being a position coach. Two different things. Jason Taylor was a good veteran leader, not sure he is capable of being a linebackers coach.
 
NYPhinzFan said:
Exactly. That's what's missing in all of this. We don't know what the internal conversations were regarding the type of corner they were looking for. We may all hear names like DRC and Browner, etc., floating around, but who's to say that our coaches like these players as a schematic fit for what they want to do next year?

I for one notice a resounding theme in the DBs we decided to pick up. Scrappy, nasty, hard nosed, touch, head hunting, vocal leaders. I for one didn't see a single player like that on our entire defense last year. Don't overlook the importance of a good lightning rod to push fire into somewhat flat defense. Wake, Ellerbe, Rashad Jones, Grimes, these are all fairly quiet, lead by example kind of players. There's tons of talent on this defense, but inject some fire into these boys and they can be elite.
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And this is what we paid over $5M for? WOW!!!
 
Andyman said:
Don't forget, a guy has to be willing to come. It's only a "better option" if the player is interested. There will be corner options in other years. Finnigan, if healthy, should be very competant and add a nastiness to the defense that it has lacked. He can play the slot, he can help guys like Taylor along. I'll take his long term track record - with the assumption that his nagging injuries are behind him - over committing longer term to other "options" or some of the lesser experienced players that were out there. Don't rely too much on PFF. To be fair, look at their ratings of other positions and you'll see some peculiarities there too. Take a look at Clabo's rating after 2012. So much of football is how you use your players and using their strengths in addition to having a healthy body out there.
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I'd be buying it if there wasn't a stable of 5 or 6 guys who played better last year that were still on the market. Hardly rely on PFF too much just because I use it....if they say a guy is really bad it usually means he's at least bad...they don't just watch the tape and come out with a totally random conclusion. No matter what source you use you'll see that teams had a 135 QBR in his coverage last year which makes Gibril Wilson look like Night Train Lane. Clabo had a great 2012...they're not there to predict the future, that's what age is there for.

Fact is I like Finnegan in the slot to a degree because of his physicality. We also paid him like a starting boundary guy, which no one in the league would've done after last season. I'm just shocked because there's a ton of guys I listed that would've been in play that have performed better and are younger. Tarrell Brown went to the Raiders on a prove it deal for ****s sake....he's been great the last few years and I find it hard to believe he wouldn't rather be in Miami than Oakland. Munnerlyn's a great slot corner that was cheaper and took visits...we bid against ourselves. I haven't really had many issues this offseason, but this contract's a head scratcher. Even if he turns out, on the surface it doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
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