Five reason why the Dolphins will be better than the NY Jets

[callaway1234]

I didn't read any of this thread, but if we are only aspiring to be better than the Jets we are in trouble.

 

[nyjunc]

Rex has had 1 good season sandwiched between 2 mediocre ones. That includes 1 legitimate trip to the postseason. Doesn't matter that Cinci was 3-4 by the time the jest faced them, or that SD beat themselves, Rex doesn't get credit for those wins because he didn't earn the right to play in the postseason - as borne out by the easy way Indy handled them when they were actually trying.

It's like giving props to a bank robber breaking into the vault in Ft Knox for a job well done - that's at least until you realize that he didn't belong there in the first place. The egregious scheduling made the jest 2009 season as asterisk*-worthy as a Sammy Sosa homerun or Rafael Palmiero hitting benchmark. When you need outside, artificial help to get somewhere, you're really nowhere at all. Claiming credit for 2009 is like Rosy Ruiz claiming credit for winning the 79-80 NYC and Boston Marathons by being fine with her taking the subway. Right now Rex has a lot to prove, especially since he's demonstrated he deosn't know how to develop young, sensitive, very raw QBs or have a pulse on what's going on in his own living room. One good year out of 3 makes Rex and his jest no better than mediocre to this point.

2 title games in 3 years, he's had 2 GREAT seasons. 2 seasons you'd be doing backflips if you had them, heck you'd do backflips if you had ONE of those seasons. His worst season was better than most of Miami's seasons in the last decade.

Pretty sure not me. You know damn well I have absolutely no problem with calling the Dolphins and their players/coaches out on their ineptitude when its warranted and I think things through. What Im saying about Sanchez is basically common sense.

of course I am not talking about every poster, you guys have some sane posters

The stats of Sanchez vs San Diego are real. Your hypothetical 300 yds and no plays isn't important to this discussion.

I'll bite anyway. Who throws for 300 yds and makes absolutely no plays anyway?



Who also knew you could be considered elite over a three year span when in one of those years, the most recent one, you aren't elite? All of this without even getting to the Super Bowl.

All I can say is watch the game. The boxscore only tells you so much, he was vital to our win at SD.

plenty of the "great" fantasy QBs, one example:

Philip Rivers 2008 div rd at Pitt, 21-35, 308 yds, 3 Tds, 1 INT, 105.4 rating. Looks great, right?

They were down 28-10 in the 4th qtr when he threw 2 of his 3 Tds and nearly half his pass yards in a 35-24 loss where they had no shot at any point in ythe 4th qtr.

That doesn't impress me, it looks great on the stat sheet but in reality he had a poor game. I'll give you an example against sanchez. Sanchez in the '09 tile game put up good #s, 17-30, 257, 2 Tds, 1 INT, 93 rating but this was probably his worst postseason game as he did nothing in the 2nd half.

In the '10 title game Ben was the better QB but would you know it looking at the stat sheet?

Ben: 10-19, 133 yds, 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 35.5 rating
Sanchez: 20-33, 233 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INts, 102.2 rating

#5 Overall Traded Up For QB

Career- 53.3% Completion (below average to bad)

Career- 55 TD / 51 INT (below average to terrible)

Career- 17 Fumbles (below average to turnover machine)

Career- 73.2 QB Rating (below average to bad)

irrefutably below average to bad all around

2 title games in 3 seasons as a starter, that trumps all the meaningless fantasy #s.

 

[DuderinoN703]

All I can say is watch the game. The boxscore only tells you so much, he was vital to our win at SD.

plenty of the "great" fantasy QBs, one example:

Philip Rivers 2008 div rd at Pitt, 21-35, 308 yds, 3 Tds, 1 INT, 105.4 rating. Looks great, right?

They were down 28-10 in the 4th qtr when he threw 2 of his 3 Tds and nearly half his pass yards in a 35-24 loss where they had no shot at any point in ythe 4th qtr.

That doesn't impress me, it looks great on the stat sheet but in reality he had a poor game. I'll give you an example against sanchez. Sanchez in the '09 tile game put up good #s, 17-30, 257, 2 Tds, 1 INT, 93 rating but this was probably his worst postseason game as he did nothing in the 2nd half.

In the '10 title game Ben was the better QB but would you know it looking at the stat sheet?

Ben: 10-19, 133 yds, 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 35.5 rating
Sanchez: 20-33, 233 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INts, 102.2 rating

How can going 10-19 for 133 yds and 2 INTs be considered the better game? Even against your own team you don't make sense

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2 title games in 3 seasons as a starter, that trumps all the meaningless fantasy #s.

This isn't true either. If Sanchez never gets to the Super Bowl do you not think it was b/c he wasn't talented enough to do so? If a guy with average stats can never make it to the big game, you have to give him blame for that.

 

[tazthenomad]

Philip Rivers 2008 div rd at Pitt, 21-35, 308 yds, 3 Tds, 1 INT, 105.4 rating. Looks great, right?

They were down 28-10 in the 4th qtr when he threw 2 of his 3 Tds and nearly half his pass yards in a 35-24 loss where they had no shot at any point in ythe 4th qtr.

That doesn't impress me, it looks great on the stat sheet but in reality he had a poor game. I'll give you an example against sanchez.

And what if Rivers pulled off the comeback... then do the numbers mean anything?

Sanchez in the '09 tile game put up good #s, 17-30, 257, 2 Tds, 1 INT, 93 rating but this was probably his worst postseason game as he did nothing in the 2nd half.

In the '10 title game Ben was the better QB but would you know it looking at the stat sheet?

Ben: 10-19, 133 yds, 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 35.5 rating
Sanchez: 20-33, 233 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INts, 102.2 rating



2 title games in 3 seasons as a starter, that trumps all the meaningless fantasy #s.

The problem with your "scoreboard" logic is that this is a TEAM game. Most of us believe that the running game and defense are the only things that allowed Sanchez to be viable at all. While you can make the argument that stats can be skewed when a QB does what the gameplan/situation calls for and may not look great you can't just point at the result and say the QB played well. Other areas of the team may compensate for "game manager" QB play ala the Ravens defense covering up for a mediocre offense in their SB win. Again, most of us believe the same about the Jets. Running game and defense carried Sanchez.

Using the "number of big game wins" criteria you could say Doug Williams a better QB than Archie Manning.

There are plenty of good things to say about the Jets that don't involve Sanchez. Why not stick to them?

 

[where's th'fish]

junc is nothing but an attention whore, if you guys stopped replying to his inanities he'd stop coming to this site

 

[nyjunc]

How can going 10-19 for 133 yds and 2 INTs be considered the better game? Even against your own team you don't make sense

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This isn't true either. If Sanchez never gets to the Super Bowl do you not think it was b/c he wasn't talented enough to do so? If a guy with average stats can never make it to the big game, you have to give him blame for that.

he made plays to win, he kept plays alive w/ his legs, he helped his team to a big early lead then when the jets pulled w/in a score he led them to 2 first downs to seal so our offense didn't get another crack at it. This game is about more than fantasy stats.

He's only played 3 seasons, can we give him some time please?

The problem with your "scoreboard" logic is that this is a TEAM game. Most of us believe that the running game and defense are the only things that allowed Sanchez to be viable at all. While you can make the argument that stats can be skewed when a QB does what the gameplan/situation calls for and may not look great you can't just point at the result and say the QB played well. Other areas of the team may compensate for "game manager" QB play ala the Ravens defense covering up for a mediocre offense in their SB win. Again, most of us believe the same about the Jets. Running game and defense carried Sanchez.

Using the "number of big game wins" criteria you could say Doug Williams a better QB than Archie Manning.

There are plenty of good things to say about the Jets that don't involve Sanchez. Why not stick to them?

His team was never in the game in the 4th qtr thanks in part to his inability to lead the to points to keep them in it.

so when the run game and D failed at various points in 2010 and we won games through the air what was the excuse then?

Doug williams was a good QB, he missed prime years going to the USFL but he was a good QB.

I don't just talk about Sanchez, I defend him to those that don't understand what they are watching and blame everything bad on him and don't give him any credit when things go well.

 

[Vaark]

2 title games in 3 years, he's had 2 GREAT seasons. 2 seasons you'd be doing backflips if you had them, heck you'd do backflips if you had ONE of those seasons. His worst season was better than most of Miami's seasons in the last decade

Obviously junk is a big fan of Barry Bond's, Mark McGwire's and Sammy Sosa's home run accomplishments, Roger Clemens pitching prodigiousness, and Bernie Madoff's investment acumen. (and can make a case that Nolan Ryan andHank Aaron were over-rated)

 

[nyjunc]

yes b/c clearly the Jets cheated the way those players did.

 

[DuderinoN703]

he made plays to win, he kept plays alive w/ his legs, he helped his team to a big early lead then when the jets pulled w/in a score he led them to 2 first downs to seal so our offense didn't get another crack at it. This game is about more than fantasy stats.

He's only played 3 seasons, can we give him some time please?

I'm all for giving him time. I know he's a young QB. You act like he's invincible though which he isn't.

 

[Vaark]

yes b/c clearly the Jets cheated the way those players did.

You miss my point: 2009 was a miserable year for the jest through choking against Atlanta in a game they needed to win, before they got the kind of outside help that was so egregious the league immediately changed their late season scheduling policies (as borne out and confirmed by the Colts several games later). Doesn't matter if the outsidde help was steroids or teams placing more value on resting their starters than winning totally meaningless games! The bottom-line is that without that outside help, they didn't earn the right to proceed to whatever they were put into a position to accomplish, be they the jest or a steroid taking baseball player or Rosy Ruiz taking the subway to finish first in the NYC marathon. As such any and all such "accomplishments" are devalued as frauds.

 

[nyjunc]

You miss my point: 2009 was a miserable year for the jest through choking against Atlanta in a game they needed to win, before they got the kind of outside help that was so egregious the league immediately changed their late season scheduling policies (as borne out and confirmed by the Colts several games later). Doesn't matter if the outsidde help was steroids or teams placing more value on resting their starters than winning totally meaningless games! The bottom-line is that without that outside help, they didn't earn the right to proceed to whatever they were put into a position to accomplish, be they the jest or a steroid taking baseball player or Rosy Ruiz taking the subway to finish first in the NYC marathon. As such any and all such "accomplishments" are devalued as frauds.

It was so miserable playing for the right to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

We had the benefit of playing Indy for a qtr and a half w/ their backups and we took advantage much like Miami took advantage of 5-6 dead teams to end 2008 and no Tom Brady. Good teams take advantage and once in postseason we proved we belonged by winning 2 road playoff games rather than getting humiliated at home in the WC rd.

 

[Vaark]

It was so miserable playing for the right to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

We had the benefit of playing Indy for a qtr and a half w/ their backups and we took advantage much like Miami took advantage of 5-6 dead teams to end 2008 and no Tom Brady. Good teams take advantage and once in postseason we proved we belonged by winning 2 road playoff games rather than getting humiliated at home in the WC rd.

Sorry, I can't sit by and let you sweep a stinkfest up until you were gifted into the playoff, then beat a dead team walking that finished up 3-4 outscored by 37pts, and after, despite your QB characteristically crapping the bed, stood back enough to let a choking HC and choking kicker beat themselves- and by 3 points at that. Consequently since I have em in the archives, why not dust them off considering the same BS is being spun?

 

[nyjunc]

I'm nto wasting my time going through all your excuses again. The bottom line is in 3 years:

TWO title games, Miami hasn't been to one in 20 years
4 playoff wins, you can combine playoff wins from 1994-2011 to finally reach 4 for Miami

 

[tylerdolphin]

Junc, you cant weight plays that happened to occur in the 4th quarter 100x more heavily than other plays. If youre a steaming pile of garbage for 3.5 quarters and your team happens to have you in the game at the end for you to back into a play or two, it doesnt mean ****. Just means your team played very well. I blame Skip Bayless for this widespread ridiculous mentality that "clutch" is just a last minute thing and that it cancels out a full game's worth of garbage play.

I cant believe I just defended Sanchez

 

[nyjunc]

Junc, you cant weight plays that happened to occur in the 4th quarter 100x more heavily than other plays. If youre a steaming pile of garbage for 3.5 quarters and your team happens to have you in the game at the end for you to back into a play or two, it doesnt mean ****. Just means your team played very well. I blame Skip Bayless for this widespread ridiculous mentality that "clutch" is just a last minute thing and that it cancels out a full game's worth of garbage play.

I cant believe I just defended Sanchez

so all plays are equal? if up or down 20 late in the 4th and you throw for 100 yds and a TD that's as good as being down 3-7 and leadin a game tying or GW drive? Really?