t47c said:Yeah really.... Don't remember Don Strock becoming a starter anywhere either...LOL
I was asking have we overvalued him as a starter.. not that HE IS overvalued, and where is his best value to the team this year... as a backup or a starter?thedayafter said:
- Point being.... nobody is predicting a "30 points a game" offense... much less saying that is what Frerotte will produce.
- His record indicates he is a serviceable NFL QB that has started games in the league... I think he went to a pro bowl.
- He has value this season.... he is not "overvalued".
no point... just an observation. thought it was a funny line and added a smart aleck remark...thedayafter said:
- Strock had the best job in the NFL.... DM played every game.... Strock did mop up and played golf.... what's your point?
t47c said:I was asking have we overvalued him as a starter.. not that HE IS overvalued, and where is his best value to the team this year... as a backup or a starter?
t47c said:I was asking have we overvalued him as a starter.. not that HE IS overvalued, and where is his best value to the team this year... as a backup or a starter?
t47c said:no point... just an observation. thought it was a funny line and added a smart aleck remark...
and... Don strock was never sore for 3 days after a game!!
islandah said:His best value to the team is as a dependable backup and teacher of Lineham's system, because that means that AJ (or Sage for that matter) fairly won the starting job and has the potential to be the future of the team for years to come. If Gus starts, it means we're seriously qb shopping next year and are probably 2 years behind.
thedayafter said:
- IMO we are seriously shopping the QB position next year... no matter what.
- We needed to spend resources on the defense and acquire a RB this season.
- We need to be serviceable at the QB position this season.... anything more than that is house money.
I have to agree, I hope not but I think we will be shopping next year. Which probably puts us, at least, another year from serious contentionthedayafter said:
- IMO we are seriously shopping the QB position next year... no matter what.
- We needed to spend resources on the defense and acquire a RB this season.
- We need to be serviceable at the QB position this season.... anything more than that is house money.
islandah said:I tend to agree, unless AJ or Sage pulls a Drew Brees, but that's like hoping for the inside straight draw.
t47c said:I am amazed after reading all the post and threads how many people here see Frerotte as some kind of great QB. Based, I assume on his “knowing the offenseâ€Â. Let me say I have witnessed Frerotte play since his days with Washington. While there, he beat out, at the time, a quarterback that was a complete top five bust, Heath Shuler. My 15yr old Nephew could have beaten Shuler for the starting QB position. From there he bounced around the league never accomplishing much of anything. He played the last couple of years in Minnesota where he was a backup to Daunte Culpepper. He started 3 games in 2003 and had some success, as he did in Washington, he had a couple good games. Now there have been instances where a career backup finally broke through and had a couple good years, Jim Plunkett and Rich Gannon with the Raiders. It does not happen often!! Now I am not saying Frerotte cannot do it. I’m just saying you better wait and see. I’m also not posting this in support of Feeley. I am just warning fans that are touting are offense as explosive with Frerotte as the starting QB. We as fans, have a tendency to overvalue our teams players, that is fans for all teams. We tend to think; when they play for us, they will be better. Career backups are well, career backups. When you have players that have gone through 3 – 4 teams and do not start for any of them, it gives you a good idea of their talent level.
thedayafter said:Your POV is well stated but appears to be "overvalued".
- Frerotte is a servicable proven back-up that has the ability to start games in the NFL.
- He is not the "next"..... I don't think many, if any, on the board think he is.
- Feeley remains an unknown.
- Frerotte can assist the offensive development as he does know the system.
- The WR unit and TE's will benefit from this.
- The alternative would be a camp with all QB's learing the system... not good.
- The rebuilding is a process, the Frerotte signing represents a part of the process... nothing more... or less.
- Frerotte gives the other units and veterans on the team some sense of proven production. They know if Feeley fails they have reason to believe Frerotte can do the job.
- Frerotte has value.... he is not "overvalued"
SCall13 said:I haven't seen a single person on this board say Frerotte is a great QB. In fact, i haven't see anyone come close to saying that. Suggesting he is better than Feeley is not calling him great. Because when some says he is better than Feeley it isn't neccasarily saying much.