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Nublar7 said:
I honestly don't know for sure if this gives the defense an edge or not, though I am going to say probably not.

By the time he says "Go" or "Go Go" the ball has already been snapped and the play is happening. If you are a cornerback that isn't moving and waiting to hear the call, by the time it registers you are probably out of position. A corner is going to be doing a job that was assigned before the "Go" or "Go Go" comes out of Ryan's mouth. Same with linebackers and defensive lineman, if they are waiting to hear what Ryan is going to say they are going to be out of position once they realize it is a run or pass. They have to be doing their job right as the ball is snapped, not a half second or full second later.
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So you say the ball is snapped before Go? Interesting. So Pouncey snaps early? Ok. And Go does mean to a DL ignore any playaction just forget the back go after the QB. The Go and Go Go is teachable, should be taught and if it's not then shame on the staff.

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AquaInferno said:
So you say the ball is snapped before Go? Interesting. So Pouncey snaps early? Ok. And Go does mean to a DL ignore any playaction just forget the back go after the QB. The Go and Go Go is teachable, should be taught and if it's not then shame on the staff.

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This is what I'm talking about exactly. When the d line hears GO, they KNOW they can bum rush us with no regards given to protecting the rushing lanes. PERIOD. There is no discussion or argument. They simply know that they can just go straight for the passer. It absolutely does make a difference. There is no getting around it.
 
AquaInferno said:
So you say the ball is snapped before Go? Interesting. So Pouncey snaps early? Ok. And Go does mean to a DL ignore any playaction just forget the back go after the QB. The Go and Go Go is teachable, should be taught and if it's not then shame on the staff.

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It might have read that way, but it is not what I meant. Probably didn't choose the best set of words to desribe what I was thinking. I meant by the time the defense hears "Go" or "Go Go" the play is starting. There is no one or two second delay from the time those words leave his mouth to when the ball is snapped. Meaning if you are a defensive player that is waiting to hear those words to run towards the line(running play) or cover a receiver(passing play) it is going to be too late. There isn't enough reaction time.

Now if Ryan was saying "Go" or "Go Go", then a second or two later Pouncey snaps the ball I could see a problem. The ball is snapped on the first go or the second go, I don't see how a human can make a Matrix like reaction in such a small amount of time.
 
Nublar7 said:
It might have read that way, but it is not what I meant. Probably didn't choose the best set of words to desribe what I was thinking. I meant by the time the defense hears "Go" or "Go Go" the play is starting. There is no one or two second delay from the time those words leave his mouth to when the ball is snapped. Meaning if you are a defensive player that is waiting to hear those words to run towards the line(running play) or cover a receiver(passing play) it is going to be too late. There isn't enough reaction time.

Now if Ryan was saying "Go" or "Go Go", then a second or two later Pouncey snaps the ball I could see a problem. The ball is snapped on the first go or the second go, I don't see how a human can make a Matrix like reaction in such a small amount of time.
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I see what you're saying. But the defensive line can react much quicker to the cadence than can the corners. And the safeties can come up for run support or know to stay in pass coverage immediately after hearing the snap count. I fully believe this is an issue and a definite disadvantage. Look at the plays where Tannehill BARELY or does not even complete a drop and he is being hit. I think this is a testament to the clue in from the snap count. Our line isn't great by any means, but I seriously think this puts them at an obvious disadvantage. To allow the d-line and ends to know, even if it is only a fraction of a second (especially considering how quickly the go or go-go is verbalized) it allows the pass rush from every direction to materialize much faster than what would be considered typical. This, to me, explains why we are getting so many QB sacks from the edges as well as the interior of the opposing defensive lines. I don't analyze every detail, so I don't know how many sacks exactly have came from someone other than the ends, but I would venture to say that the percentage is way up there. This is not a coincidence. I really believe, and will be steadfast, that this a problem that can easily be solved and would help our offense. Even if it allowed Tannehill 1/2 to 1 second longer, it would be huge. And I believe if we change up the cadence, it would keep the defense from attacking one aspect of our offense so readily and easily.
 
SCall13 said:
This is what I'm talking about exactly. When the d line hears GO, they KNOW they can bum rush us with no regards given to protecting the rushing lanes. PERIOD. There is no discussion or argument. They simply know that they can just go straight for the passer. It absolutely does make a difference. There is no getting around it.
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So when its a silent count you think the D-line just stands there saying 'OMG, what do I do, what do I do' even though they see the O-line setting up to pass block?
 
Nublar7 said:
There isn't enough reaction time.
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Sorry but I cannot agree.

Speaking from a law enforcement perspective, if I am in front of a suspect and I am watching out for the Go and Go Go as to whether he draws a gun on me, you better believe I have the reaction time to get the drop on him first.

Now, professional football players, who are supposed to be the best of the best athletes, I fully expect them to have great reaction times as well. Of course, it will always depend on the individual but ANY advantage is still just that, an advantage.
 
TheMageGandalf said:
Sorry but I cannot agree.

Speaking from a law enforcement perspective, if I am in front of a suspect and I am watching out for the Go and Go Go as to whether he draws a gun on me, you better believe I have the reaction time to get the drop on him first.
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Maybe you think you do but I'd like to see some evidence.
 
Its funny how some of you (mostly the ones that never played actual football) dont think this makes a huge difference but myself who played safety (albeit not very good) and the other gentleman who played LB'er both insist that knowing if a run vs pass was coming would make all the difference in the world. For the simpletons that cant get that, it is due to the missteps that get taken while trying to decipher run vs pass. Usually when it is a pass you are backpedaling/looking for receivers. Usually when it is a run you dart to the running back. As a safety it is a cardinal sin to get beat deep. You therefore start off by backpedaling while you try to decipher run vs. pass. Not having to do this is the difference between getting to the RB at the line of scrimmage or getting to the RB after he has 5-10 yards of steam. Anyone who cant understand how that would be a huge advantage is a loss cause. All I can say is go try to play safety (or LBer as the other guy confirmed) and then you will see what we are talking about.
 
roy_miami said:
So when its a silent count you think the D-line just stands there saying 'OMG, what do I do, what do I do' even though they see the O-line setting up to pass block?
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Well, first of all, we do not run silent counts. But should we, it would at least make the defense have to figure out what is coming. However, a silent count, more times than not, is a run on a very short yardage situation and more times than not, the silent count works because the defense is caught off guard.
 
TheMageGandalf said:
Sorry but I cannot agree.

Speaking from a law enforcement perspective, if I am in front of a suspect and I am watching out for the Go and Go Go as to whether he draws a gun on me, you better believe I have the reaction time to get the drop on him first.

Now, professional football players, who are supposed to be the best of the best athletes, I fully expect them to have great reaction times as well. Of course, it will always depend on the individual but ANY advantage is still just that, an advantage.
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Yep

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Seusboy said:
Its funny how some of you (mostly the ones that never played actual football) dont think this makes a huge difference but myself who played safety (albeit not very good) and the other gentleman who played LB'er both insist that knowing if a run vs pass was coming would make all the difference in the world. For the simpletons that cant get that, it is due to the missteps that get taken while trying to decipher run vs pass. Usually when it is a pass you are backpedaling/looking for receivers. Usually when it is a run you dart to the running back. As a safety it is a cardinal sin to get beat deep. You therefore start off by backpedaling while you try to decipher run vs. pass. Not having to do this is the difference between getting to the RB at the line of scrimmage or getting to the RB after he has 5-10 yards of steam. Anyone who cant understand how that would be a huge advantage is a loss cause. All I can say is go try to play safety (or LBer as the other guy confirmed) and then you will see what we are talking about.
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Great argument. Great example. And you are so correct.
 
Seusboy said:
Its funny how some of you (mostly the ones that never played actual football) dont think this makes a huge difference but myself who played safety (albeit not very good) and the other gentleman who played LB'er both insist that knowing if a run vs pass was coming would make all the difference in the world. For the simpletons that cant get that, it is due to the missteps that get taken while trying to decipher run vs pass. Usually when it is a pass you are backpedaling/looking for receivers. Usually when it is a run you dart to the running back. As a safety it is a cardinal sin to get beat deep. You therefore start off by backpedaling while you try to decipher run vs. pass. Not having to do this is the difference between getting to the RB at the line of scrimmage or getting to the RB after he has 5-10 yards of steam. Anyone who cant understand how that would be a huge advantage is a loss cause. All I can say is go try to play safety (or LBer as the other guy confirmed) and then you will see what we are talking about.
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I stopped reading after the bold part because its funny how you think you know more about this than our Head coach and Offensive coordinator who have superbowl rings, not to mention the other 60-70 PROFFESSIONAL football players and staff on our team.
 
For all the people who think this is a problem point out specific plays where it effects the play..

Anybody can guess where it happens, but there is no proof it negatively effects the offense.

I'll be waiting.
 
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