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:sidelol:Spielman's an idiot, end of story.
:sidelol:Spielman's an idiot, end of story.
ckparrothead said:Selective memory sure is nice. The guy not only remembers things wrong, but he conveniently leaves out other stuff.
First off, Mark Brunell had an 85.9 QB rating last year, led his team to the 2nd round of the playoffs, helped Santana Moss gain like 1,500 yards or something...and to this guy, Brunell is simply "that guy that is stinking it up in Snyderville".
Second, yes...Drew Henson and Billy Volek were two guys who were also available. Drew Henson has done nothing in Big D and now is going the way of the dodo. But the dude simply ignores how in 2004, the same year Feeley was stinking it up and throwing more interceptions returned for a TD than I've ever seen before, Volek came in for McNair for 10 games, grabbed an 87.1 QB rating completing 61.1% of his passes with 18 TDs and 10 INTs.
The guy also conveniently forgets that Jeff Garcia, Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner were three veterans that were set to be available. And, while I would not exactly hang my hat on any of them as franchise performers, all three have performed better than Feeley did since the time in question. Garcia, the worst of the three, had a 76.7 rating in Cleveland in 2004 then a 65.1 rating in Cleveland. Collins put together ratings of 74.8 and 77.3 in Oakland. Warner, probably the most successful of any of the options discussed aside from maybe Brunell, put together an 86.5 rating in NY, and a 85.8 rating in ARI.
When Feeley got his big chance, he coughed up a 61.7 rating. When he got more chances prior to 2005, he got busted down to third string. Then when he got more chances with San Diego this off season, he got busted out of the roster altogether in favor of two rookies, Charlie Whitehurst and Brett Elliott.
Nothing will ever vindicate Rick Spielman for his decision that year. He paid the highest price among all of the QBs discussed, and got arguably the worst one of the bunch (depending on how you feel about Henson).
Plus he forgot an extremely important lesson when it comes to making these decisions. Not only are you not guaranteed to pick the right one among a group of QBs available in any given year, there is no guarantee that ANY of them are the franchise player you hope...because any given year there is probably only a 1/3rd or 1/2 chance that ANY QB that changes hands, turns out to be a franchise guy within a few years.
Spielman's an idiot, end of story.
CrunchTime said:The best QB that was available at that time was on our team.
Brian Griese looks like he will win the starting job in Chicago and arguably has outperformed all of the others names mentioned.
Throughout their careers I cant remember Wanny or Speilman ever making a good judgement on a QB.
They had opportunities but misjudged them.
Dol-Fan Dupree said:Yea I don't understand why they didn't just keep Griese.
Prakk said:The whole problem with Feeley was that the pick given for him was TOO HIGH. This is a classic case of management giving in to the public. Jay was hated so they had to get SOMEBODY. The had a 10 cent head and a million dollar arm. Jay had a Million Dollar head, and a 5 cent arm.
I give him this year to do something, which isn't likely. He'll end up in the CFL next year.ckparrothead said:Feeley was a bad choice among available choices. In fact, he was the worst choice among available choices.
ckparrothead said:Feeley was a bad choice among available choices. In fact, he was the worst choice among available choices.
MDFINFAN said:But amoung available choices we didn't know that at the time.
ckparrothead said:Spielman is paid to know that at the time. That was his job description. He didn't do his job, and overpaid to boot, and got fired for it.
And that potential in Philly wasn't a whole heck of a lot. Despite all those weapons and an easy WCO he still came away with a QB rating in the 70's. He won games, but so did Damon Huard. Feeley had a good arm, but did not have good accuracy and did not handle pressure extremely well. He just happened to have a line that never let anyone get pressure on him, and a system that had a lot of dumpoffs, rollouts, and screens forcing DL to not pin their ears back trying to go after the QB.
Andy Reid isn't dumb. He's got Jeff Garcia to back up Donovan McNabb, and he grabbed back a guy that was popular in the locker room and in the city of Philadelphia (he hosted a radio show there) to be his third stringer again. And, it's a guy that knows the system.
For all the excuses related to Feeley's time in Miami in 2004, the guy legitimately fell to 3rd string in 2005, and then went to San Diego and lost out to an undrafted rookie free agent Brett Elliott.
Stick a fork in him, he's done.
Regan21286 said:I thought the Fins should've kept Griese instead of trading a pick for Feeley. But I was ok with the move since I wanted someone other than Fiedler to take the helm. Griese played well for Tampa before they decided to go with the youth movement and right now is upstaging Rex Grossman in Chicago. We'd have been able to save that pick and still get better results.