"Great 3 Horse Race in the AFC East" - Sean Salisbury

[SkapePhin]

Where is all this homerism bitterness coming from? Of course most analyst are going to say it's a 3 horse race....and why shouldn't they?? The Pats and Jets both made the playoffs, Buff was 1 game out. Miami won 4 games. All they are doing is basing a lot of their opinions based on last years performance.

Do I get mad when they say the Pats and Jets are a better team? Of course not. They both had better records than the Bills did last year. Until proven otherwise, that's how it's going to be.

With all the changes from the FO, coaches, players, and offensive/defensive philosophys there's a better than average chance that Miami won't do well this season. I'm not saying they are a bad team by any means but any team needs time to jell especially after all the changes that have ocurred in the off-season for the fins.

Go ahead and flame away......I'm expecting it :)

Again, NEW INEXPERIENCED QB..

And if anyone, Buff fans should understand... Didnt YOU GUYS have a new coach, system, etc last season but still have a little run? Whats to say Phins cant be competitive?

We basically have the 2003 11-5 squad with a better coach and no Fiedler.

 

[jlfin]

Who cares what they think. I can't believe you are letting it get under your skin.
As the old saying goes. That's why they play the games.
Every year there are several teams that don't come close to their preseason hype, and then there are teams who come out of nowhere and surprise.
One of the 3 "top teams" in the AFC East (Pats, Bills, Jets) will choke this year. Count on it.

 

[WILLIS21]

Again, NEW INEXPERIENCED QB..

And if anyone, Buff fans should understand... Didnt YOU GUYS have a new coach, system, etc last season but still have a little run? Whats to say Phins cant be competitive?

We basically have the 2003 11-5 squad with a better coach and no Fiedler.

Didn't Miami go 10-6 in 2003? Ricky was there in the first game in 2003. Ricky will miss 4 games to start the year in 2005. No Pat Surtain, no Adewale Ogunleye two probowlers, for the 2005 edition.

 

[so-long-Ricky]

Again, NEW INEXPERIENCED QB..

And if anyone, Buff fans should understand... Didnt YOU GUYS have a new coach, system, etc last season but still have a little run? Whats to say Phins cant be competitive?

We basically have the 2003 11-5 squad with a better coach and no Fiedler.

Again, DB was god awful last year. Unless JP throws 3-4 picks a game (Holcomb would be in if that happened) we've @ least are even in the QB position. Keep in mind, our defense has basically been the same unit for over 2 years now, coaches and players who have had a lot of time to understand the system that has been implemented along w/the players understanding each others responsibilities. That takes time. Miami has a majority of new coaches, along with completely revamping their defense from players to scheme.

 

[SkapePhin]

Didn't Miami go 10-6 in 2003? Ricky was there in the first game in 2003. Ricky will miss 4 games to start the year in 2005. No Pat Surtain, no Adewale Ogunleye two probowlers, for the 2005 edition.

You are correct.. it was 10-6, my bad... But other than that, its not that far off.. True, Ricky will miss 4 games, but we didnt have a backup of the calibur of Ronnie Brown in 2003.. And with both of them together starting week 6, its that much more firepower..Im not saying this team will be 10-6, but it certainly has potential to.. And Ogun is easily replaced.. He isnt a Pro Bowler imo.. Taylor makes the line, always has.. Surtian will surely be missed though.

 

[jlfin]

Our Defense IS proven.. This is still a Top 10 unit. Our Wr Corps, for the most part, is proven as well, showing moments of brilliance in the past, and consistency and reliability in the recent past..

BTW, I wouldn't trade this group of WR's for any in the AFC east (including Buffalo). Moulds is at an age where he will start to slow down. Lee Evans is an emerging big play guy. Beyond that, they are OK. I'll take McMichael over any TE on the Bills roster and Boston, Derrius Thompson over the 3rd and 4th WR's on their roster also.

 

[Justasportsfan]

:roflmao::roflmao:

I've forgotten more about football than you know.

all you've done is sit on a tree and throw rocks. Cmon, attempt to argue what I've said. Why don't you?

 

[Justasportsfan]

Our DTs were INJURED all year last season.. Chester is back, and we have a revamped DL with some good proven vets like Holliday and Carter.

so waht proof do you have that Chester is fully healed and ready to go.

Just so you know, Milloy and Vincent were out but you don't see me making excuses.

How has Holliday abd Carter done in Saban's system . Got any facts? No. Just like you said Moulds hasn't done anything significant, Holliday hasn't doone squat. The only reason why he got a fat contract last year because he sacked the qb who you think was better than JP 4 times in one game in 2003. Yeah, Drew bledsoe. Next.

 

[Agua]

And if anyone, Buff fans should understand... Didnt YOU GUYS have a new coach, system, etc last season but still have a little run? Whats to say Phins cant be competitive?

That is the ONE thing I find ludicrous coming from these Bills fans. They just finished a 1 season turn around from, what? 6-10 to 9-7 and near playoff appearance, yet they find it damned near impossible that the same thing could happen for Miami. :shakeno:

 

[Justasportsfan]

Again, NEW INEXPERIENCED QB..

And if anyone, Buff fans should understand... Didnt YOU GUYS have a new coach, system, etc last season but still have a little run? Whats to say Phins cant be competitive?

We basically have the 2003 11-5 squad with a better coach and no Fiedler.

And I've already stated that JP is unproven. Your qb situation is as unproven as ours while the rest of the team has recently (just this past season) proven to better than what you have. I wan't facts not, "we hired this and that player" that is nothing but paper.

 

[SkapePhin]

so waht proof do you have that Chester is fully healed and ready to go.

Just so you know, Milloy and Vincent were out but you don't see me making excuses.

How has Holliday abd Carter done in Saban's system . Got any facts? No. Just like you said Moulds hasn't done anything significant, Holliday hasn't doone squat. The only reason why he got a fat contract last year because he sacked the qb who you think was better than JP 4 times in one game in 2003. Yeah, Drew bledsoe. Next.

Arent predictions conjectures? Arent conjectures based on a mix of potential and past performance? Ok, with this established, the Dolphins have added alot of POTENTIAL as well as players with past good performance AND potential (ie Ricky Williams).. There are no guarantees, but we are dealing with POSSIBILITIES... It is disengenuous to say that 3 teams will put up a race, yet a forth with REALISTIC POTENTIAL for success is completely disregarded.. This is the entire cruxt of my argument and disagreement with ESPN.. Now if they were referring to San Francisco and the NFC West I would agree with them, seeing as how the majority of their players dont have much IMMEDIATE potential, whereas the Dolphins do..

Would you disagree with this statement. "Ronnie Brown, a RB, has more IMMEDIATE POTENTIAL than Alex Smith, a QB?"

 

[miamirw]

I love the fact thaqt no one is giving respect to the Dolphins. We'll sneak up on a lot of people this year.

Those so called experts don't realize what caused our 4-12 record. It wasn't our defense. It was our offensive line and our inept offensive system (Foerster).

I have a strong feeling that we're all going to see the defense improved - with Carter making our Dline THAT much stronger - and Feeley playing MUCH better with a great Oline in front of him and play calls that actually adjust to what the defense give them.

Keep bashing us national news media. I already got my bet down on Miami to win it all. 50 bucks at 50 to 1 and I'll have as good a shot as anyone. We're certainly going to top 9 wins. If you take our win total from last year and factor in all those close losses that took place because of our inept offense, grabbing another nine wins at least is not out of the question. We actually have a hell of a coaching staff. The Oline upgrade and the better offensive system will translate into a good offense. Couple that with our existing tough defense and i like our chances.

Call me a homer. I don't care. Just look at the camp reports. Hey, we might actually have a good left and right tackle combo. That alone is good for a few wins.

 

[Justasportsfan]

That is the ONE thing I find ludicrous coming from these Bills fans. They just finished a 1 season turn around from, what? 6-10 to 9-7 and near playoff appearance, yet they find it damned near impossible that the same thing could happen for Miami. :shakeno:

I stated earlier that it could change by the end of the season bt until your team has proven anything , why is it far fetched to think that the other 3 can be the one's to fight for the playoff spot. I realize that if the chargers can go from last to div. champs so can the fins. However, they were not rebuilding and didn't have anew system. They also have the best rb and TE in the league and a qb who's better than anyone on your team.

Until then, all I'm trying to do is see the logic behind the article. None of you have amde legit reasons other than what's on paper to make an argument.

 

[Justasportsfan]

Arent predictions conjectures? Arent conjectures based on a mix of potential and past performance? Ok, with this established, the Dolphins have added alot of POTENTIAL as well as players with past good performance AND potential (ie Ricky Williams).. There are no guarantees, but we are dealing with POSSIBILITIES... It is disengenuous to say that 3 teams will put up a race, yet a forth with REALISTIC POTENTIAL for success is completely disregarded.. This is the entire cruxt of my argument and disagreement with ESPN.. Now if they were referring to San Francisco and the NFC West I would agree with them, seeing as how the majority of their players dont have much IMMEDIATE potential, whereas the Dolphins do..

Would you disagree with this statement. "Ronnie Brown, a RB, has more IMMEDIATE POTENTIAL than Alex Smith, a QB?"

I do not have a problem w/ potential. I've always maitained that Saban will make the fins better. I could be wrong but I doubt he can make that happen in one year. Remember with Saban in his side, BB couldn't turn around the browns in his first year.



Yes, I agree that Brown has more potential to make a an impacty sooner than Smith. Then again, how much of an impact will he have compared to Wuillis. Our running game is better than yours on paper if you are gonna use that Moulds excuse that can be used towards RW as well.

You have potential, so does JP. You have potemtial , our team has recently been proven to be better than the other aspects of you team.

 

[SkapePhin]

And I've already stated that JP is unproven. Your qb situation is as unproven as ours while the rest of the team has recently (just this past season) proven to better than what you have. I wan't facts not, "we hired this and that player" that is nothing but paper.

Gus Frerotte: 2003 Minnesota Vikings 16 2 65 38 58.5 690 10.62 72 7 2 5/22 11 5 118.1

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070

AJ Feeley (In a stable offense): 2002 Philadelphia Eagles 6 5 154 86 55.8 1011 6.56 53 6 5 7/48 15 3 75.4

AJ Feeley (In an unstable offense): 2004 Miami Dolphins 11 8 356 191 53.7 1893 5.32 38 11 15 23/136 15 0 61.7
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235056

JP Losman: 2004 Buffalo Bills 4 0 5 3 60.0 32 6.40 17 0 1<---- INT 1/0 0 0 39.2
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493000

Ya.. Id say our QBs are a bit more proven.