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Grimes impressed with Jarvis Landry

ANUFan said:
Can some-one explain to me what the differences are between he and D.Bess? I only ask because supposedly Philbin didn't like a D.Bess type receivers and so far, all indication are Landry is exactly same type.
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No, no actually he's not at all. Not even close.

I don't know where you got that from to be honest.
 
roy_miami said:
No doubt. The whole combine is a spectacle and the 40 yard dash is the money shot. Plus beyond the time you can get a sense of who's working hard, and these guys have to train their asses off specifically for the combine stuff.

My problem with Landry's 40 is not the time but the fact that he had a hamstring injury which is a bit of a red flag in and of itself. I'm not a doctor but I believe hamstring injuries are totally avoidable if you're taking care of your body the right way. I pull a hammy just thinking about going for a run for example.
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:lol: yeah I think I pulled one, one time, racing back to the kitchen to beat my brother to the last piece of pizza.
 
DolphinDevil28 said:
No, no actually he's not at all. Not even close.

I don't know where you got that from to be honest.
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Go back and watch Bess in college, I can see how someone could make the comparrison. Both caught the ball with their hands away from their body well. Both were very crafty at getting defenders leaning the wrong way. Both caught the ball over the middle in traffic well. Both were very quick and used that to get off the line clean, and neither could outrun defenders once they got the ball.

Landry was the better blocker but Bess was very good at it in college as well. Bess seemed to be better in the open field in college, but his lack of speed took that away at the next level. Since they are about the same speed only time will tell how well Landry does. Personally I loved Bess's game and hated to see him go. But for those who hated Bess and thought he was too slow I don't think you will love Landry. JMO, could be wrong.
 
Strength, YAC, catching the ball at the highest point, separation and route running are all areas Jarvis is far superior than Bess was at this point coming out of Hawaii. He faced way tougher competition and has a higher ceiling also.

I liked Bess a lot too. But these two aren't comparable.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
He had a bad hamstring. When he ran at his pro day, it was a 4.5. Still not that quick and his other drills were average, but the kid is a huge competitor and seems to need the pads on and the game flowing for his adrenaline to take over. He has game speed. It's not killer speed, But he is effective and physical. How effective remains to be seen.

For once we'll have a blocking receiver, which will be a change.
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I dunno if all these comments about 40 times are directed my way, but I'm not particularly interested in them as a predictor of success. However, if you 're a 4.70 receiver, the chances of you making it are VERY small (Jerry Rice and Anquan Boldin examples noted). I was simply pointing out that his actual 40 is a good bit quicker and his game speed appears quicker again. His combine/pro day measureables weren't great, that's just a fact. It doesn't make him a bad player or a probable bust, but they confirm what you can see on the tape - he's a physical, passionate receiver who runs good routes and has a huge catch radius for his size. He isn't much of an explosive athlete, though he does get separation regularly at college level.

He is a great character and a team player. He is the kind of guy who you imagine will do well in Lazor's offense. You can see in his game the ability to catch on the move and immediately begin to get upfield. He and Matthews are quite similar in this and other respects, though Landry's hands look much more secure and he's a more willing blocker.

The point that he, Matthews and Gibson are quite similar is pretty valid, imo. I don't necessarily see it as a negative, especially with Wallace, Hartline, Clay and maybe Binns in the roster. I've said it before, the guy whose production I see taking a hit is Hartline, if what we believe of the Lazor Offense is true. We're not going to be hitting those comebacks to the sideline as regularly as we did and those are Hartline's staple diet.
 
DolphinDevil28 said:
Strength, YAC, catching the ball at the highest point, separation and route running are all areas Jarvis is far superior than Bess was at this point coming out of Hawaii. He faced way tougher competition and has a higher ceiling also.

I liked Bess a lot too. But these two aren't comparable.
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YAC?? Bess was very good after the catch in college, MUCH better than Landry, Bess was also a better route runner, separation neither was great, and neither were great leapers. Landry's game may translate better to the NFL but they are comparable.

YAC?? Here's a clip in case you can't remember Bess in college. Made other college players look silly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfKA4wJsVV0
 
Fin Thirteen said:
I dunno if all these comments about 40 times are directed my way, but I'm not particularly interested in them as a predictor of success. However, if you 're a 4.70 receiver, the chances of you making it are VERY small (Jerry Rice and Anquan Boldin examples noted). I was simply pointing out that his actual 40 is a good bit quicker and his game speed appears quicker again. His combine/pro day measureables weren't great, that's just a fact. It doesn't make him a bad player or a probable bust, but they confirm what you can see on the tape - he's a physical, passionate receiver who runs good routes and has a huge catch radius for his size. He isn't much of an explosive athlete, though he does get separation regularly at college level.

He is a great character and a team player. He is the kind of guy who you imagine will do well in Lazor's offense. You can see in his game the ability to catch on the move and immediately begin to get upfield. He and Matthews are quite similar in this and other respects, though Landry's hands look much more secure and he's a more willing blocker.

The point that he, Matthews and Gibson are quite similar is pretty valid, imo. I don't necessarily see it as a negative, especially with Wallace, Hartline, Clay and maybe Binns in the roster. I've said it before, the guy whose production I see taking a hit is Hartline, if what we believe of the Lazor Offense is true. We're not going to be hitting those comebacks to the sideline as regularly as we did and those are Hartline's staple diet.
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So because Sherman's offense had a lot of comebacks and Hartline was the best guy on the team at doing what the coach asked of him, that some how means he won't be able to run crossing routes, screens, and slants? Just because Hartline was able to get CBs leaning the wrong way and use his superior body control to catch balls in the sideline doesn't mean he is bad at other routes. I do agree that Landry will play in several different positions, from what I have heard so far they all will, but that doesn't mean Hartline will get snaps taken from him for Landry.

Maybe we should all see Landry play a quarter of a preseason game before we get crazy with expectations. Myself included.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
...Maybe we should all see Landry play a quarter of a preseason game before we get crazy with expectations. Myself included.
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Speaking of expectations. Since Boldin and Ward are the two guys Landry is compared to the most, I put their stats below (courtesy of Pro-football reference.com). Boldin's career took off in a flash and he had a huge 1st year with 1377 yards and 8 TD's. What I find interesting is he also had a reception for 71 yards. In fact, Boldin had a reception longer than 50 yards in 7 out of 11 years or 64%. Not bad for a guy who ran a 4.71 40. Ward's career didn't take off as fast. Maybe because they were handing the ball off to Bettis every offensive play, but while he didn't contribute much in reception yards after the 1st year he did start racking up the TD's. It was year 4 before he started putting up 1000+ yards a season. Ward has a slightly faster 40 yard time than Landry's pro-day numbers.

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If Landry put up a solid combine performance, he would have been a late-1st RD/early-2nd RD pick. The NFL correctly dinged him for his poor workout numbers. Did they knock him too much? It depends on how much you value a guy who should thrive in the slot but might struggle on the perimeter. For a slot WR, you're looking for quickness, football IQ, the ability to catch the ball in traffic, and physicality. I said it before, but Landry has good quickness, great timing, a natural sense of body position, and (of course) great hands. If we're bringing a lot of the spread running concepts from Philly, it's very important that your slot WR is a capable blocker, and Landry is a lot better than "capable" in this area. The slot WR - as the TE would be in a base formation - is "part of the play." That's to say that he's a player the D has to account for as a blocking threat. His blocking ability will also prove important on WR screens - which this offense favors more than most NFL offenses.

Despite his sub-par combine, Landry remained the favorite WR of many draft analysts (not to be confused with best or top-rated), because he's a winning player. He does the little things that help you win games - blocking, key difficult receptions in traffic, providing a great target for the QB. Given our RB situation, I would have stayed at 50 and drafted Jeremy Hill (who I had rated as a 1st RD talent), but I love Landry, and he most definitely does bring a skill set that the team did not have prior to drafting him.
 
ANUFan said:
Can some-one explain to me what the differences are between he and D.Bess? I only ask because supposedly Philbin didn't like a D.Bess type receivers and so far, all indication are Landry is exactly same type.
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Uhhh..D Bess is insane? That might have something to do with it.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
So because Sherman's offense had a lot of comebacks and Hartline was the best guy on the team at doing what the coach asked of him, that some how means he won't be able to run crossing routes, screens, and slants? Just because Hartline was able to get CBs leaning the wrong way and use his superior body control to catch balls in the sideline doesn't mean he is bad at other routes. I do agree that Landry will play in several different positions, from what I have heard so far they all will, but that doesn't mean Hartline will get snaps taken from him for Landry.

Maybe we should all see Landry play a quarter of a preseason game before we get crazy with expectations. Myself included.
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I'm not going to answer your bit on Hartline, because you've drawn a bunch of inferences I didn't make.

I'm not the remotest bit crazy with expectations about Landry. In fact, my posts were intended to put him and his abilities in context, where others are making comparisons of him with Hines Ward, Anquan Boldin and Jerry Rice.
 
I don't need to see him play one more game to know he enters the league with one of the better set of hands this league has seen in a while....I also have no doubts about his heart and that he is a football player....I can't say the same things about Ted Ginn who we spent a top 10 pick on.
 
Damn, why all the hate for Devon Bess? I loved the guy.

There was also a ton of hate for Wes Welker in the slot. I loved him too, well, until he went to the Pats.

Look, all of you Al Davis' out there can complain about Landry's measurables till the cows come home. I'll stick with my tried and true method of watching the guy play football. We don't need track stars and workout warriors. We need FOOTBALL PLAYERS!

Landry is a football player. He has a nose for the ball, an eye for the game, plays with passion, has leadership qualities, and oh yea, he can actually fill his job description by CATCHING the ball, something most of these track stars cant do.

I'll take the football player every day and twice on Sundays. Could we have used a LB? Absolutely. But we STOLE Landry in the draft.

I can't wait to watch him play.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
Bess had already flipped out bigtime once on weed before we traded him. He had a serious ganja problem and we pulled off a heist job offloading him to the Browns. Cue meltdown.
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Nancy Grace? Is that you?
 
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