Harbaugh would “love” to coach the Raiders !

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I think this is reasonable read of the Philbin.
I think his gameplanning and adjustments are sound.
He seems tone deaf to the players at times.
He isnt some sort of coaching savant, but with time the communication and respect from the players will grow.
A lot of the coaching thing is minimized by the fact that he delegates to the assistants.

I don't think his gameplanning or adjustments have been particularly good. I think Joe is better suited for a front office role in which he's working as the assistant GM or in an analytics department, rather than actually coaching. That's based on everything I know about him, from his duties with the Packers, to how he's run the team, to how much he loves to watch tape instead of actually manage his players, to what I know of his role and opinions in Dolphins personnel decisions. I think he'd actually be pretty good in a role like that.

I don't see anything that suggests that he's a good coach, though.

 

[trojanma]

I don't care if we win 11 games and the wild card round. If Jim Harbaugh is available, I go get him. I realize that's going to infuriate some people here, but it is what it is.

Great coaches don't grow on trees and when you have the rare opportunity to steal one because ownership thinks it's more integral to team success than the coach, you do it. Of all the franchises in the NFL that should know this, it's us.

This is crazy.
If we win 11 games then dumping Philbin would be lunacy.
Winning 11 games hell winning 10 means that the coaching in Miami is sound.

Sometimes we need a little stability and if this team(coaches, players, management) the you roll with a winning formula.

 

[trojanma]

I don't think his gameplanning or adjustments have been particularly good. I think Joe is better suited for a front office role in which he's working as the assistant GM or in an analytics department, rather than actually coaching. That's based on everything I know about him, from his duties with the Packers, to how he's run the team, to how much he loves to watch tape instead of actually manage his players, to what I know of his role and opinions in Dolphins personnel decisions. I think he'd actually be pretty good in a role like that.

I don't see anything that suggests that he's a good coach, though.

I havent studied Philbins complete bio but I thought his role in the Packers was breaking down the opponent and gameplanning?

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

If we win 11 games then dumping Philbin would be lunacy.

No, it would be upgrading the football team in pursuit of a championship and not giving a damn about the temporary backlash. Nobody ridicules the Bucs for dumping Tony Dungy, and nobody ridicules the Chargers for dumping Marty, even though the Chargers dumped Marty for one of the worst head coaches in NFL history. The Bears dumped Lovie after a 10-6 season, does anyone care? NOPE.

 

[trojanma]

11 wins isn't obtained in a vacuum.
If we win 11 games it means that many facets of this team has made significant strides. Including the coaching staff.

It would represent significant growth of this squad and the players on it.
At that point Harbaugh would be a very debatable upgrade especially if you are unsure of the relationship between Harbaugh and our GM.
Would Harbaugh dump the assistant coaches.

All those examples you described backfired.
After Tampa Won the superbowl they languished never achieving the same level of excellence meanwhile Tony Dungy had a 7 year stretch in Indy that was matched by no other coach ever.
San Diego's move was a total debacle.
Lovie had 8 years to prove what he was going to be in Chicago. Moving on from him wasn't necessarily a sudden knee jerk decision.

 

[flynryan15]

I remember our last 11 win season! Looking back does t seem like that team made significant strides!

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Here's my thing with Joe Philbin: I think Joe Philbin understands how to win football games. I think that based on the things he has said, and what his players have parroted, Joe understands the winning formula much better than most coaches. He understands that it's a game of systems and percentages and you want to play the system that wins most of the time. I think that the hire of Bill Lazor indicates that Joe Philbin absolutely gets what wins football games, not on the conventional meathead wisdom level, but on the actual, empirical, analytical level.

Joe just doesn't seem to be good at, you know, actually coaching.

Coaches obviously have different methods and styles. I see Joe's coaching style as that of a principal of a school. The principal is obviously the guy in charge. He will walk around and stick his head into classrooms, get to know the students (players) and meet with the teachers (coordinators and assistants) to make sure everyone is on the same page as his curriculum (game plan), view progress reports (analyze game flim, depth chart), etc. But the students (players) have far more interaction with the teachers (coordinators and assistants) on a daily basis and that is were most of their hands on learning (coaching) comes from. He is not the type of "student/player" principal (coach) to be found paling around in the lunchroom, the gym or the auditorium. :idk: Maybe that makes sense.

I think Philbin has currently surrounded himself, with the help of Ross and others, with a very good complimentary staff to offset his strengths and weakness as a HC.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

At that point Harbaugh would be a very debatable upgrade

Nah. Harbaugh took a QB who in his 6 year career up to that point performed, at best, like a guy who could get you to 8-8. He made that guy perform like an 11-5 quarterback and then overachieved, getting 13 wins and almost making it to the Super Bowl. Since then he's gone to the Super Bowl and nearly made it back a second time, with a quarterback who even his team's own fans have described to me as a 'one read retard.'

If you are a fan of winning football, as I am, and you believe that Ryan Tannehill has potential to be a great quarterback for the Dolphins, as I do, then there is no debate. We should explore the opportunity to upgrade our coaching staff. The fact is that some coaches simply get more out of their quarterbacks than other coaches, and Jim Harbaugh absolutely appears to be one of those coaches who can do that.

Right now the only argument I have in favor of Joe Philbin, beyond the fact that he's been unfairly saddled with Jeff Ireland's terrible personnel decisions, is that I think he might have hit one out of the park with Bill Lazor. It's only been four games and while the offense has been inconsistent, I've been digging through the numbers this week and our offense is much better in the numbers that matter right now than it has been in the past two years. We'll wait and see, but even then, that begs the question, when my best argument for keeping my head coach is that I really like this new offensive coordinator he hired after he was forced to fire his old, not very good offensive coordinator, what are we really doing here?

Bottom line is that we have a schedule of 4 very tough games coming up, and in 3 of them we are going to be the underdog. The Dolphins' head coaching position is absolutely going to be a hot topic in the coming days unless we can pull off a big upset this week followed by a minor upset next week.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Nah. Harbaugh took a QB who in his 6 year career up to that point performed, at best, like a guy who could get you to 8-8. He made that guy perform like an 11-5 quarterback and then overachieved, getting 13 wins and almost making it to the Super Bowl. Since then he's gone to the Super Bowl and nearly made it back a second time, with a quarterback who even his team's own fans have described to me as a 'one read retard.'

If you are a fan of winning football, as I am, and you believe that Ryan Tannehill has potential to be a great quarterback for the Dolphins, as I do, then there is no debate. We should explore the opportunity to upgrade our coaching staff. The fact is that some coaches simply get more out of their quarterbacks than other coaches, and Jim Harbaugh absolutely appears to be one of those coaches who can do that.

Right now the only argument I have in favor of Joe Philbin, beyond the fact that he's been unfairly saddled with Jeff Ireland's terrible personnel decisions, is that I think he might have hit one out of the park with Bill Lazor. It's only been four games and while the offense has been inconsistent, I've been digging through the numbers this week and our offense is much better in the numbers that matter right now than it has been in the past two years. We'll wait and see, but even then, that begs the question, when my best argument for keeping my head coach is that I really like this new offensive coordinator he hired after he was forced to fire his old, not very good offensive coordinator, what are we really doing here?

Bottom line is that we have a schedule of 4 very tough games coming up, and in 3 of them we are going to be the underdog. The Dolphins' head coaching position is absolutely going to be a hot topic in the coming days unless we can pull off a big upset this week followed by a minor upset next week.

I think you're right on with this. We are only 4 games into Lazor's new offense and I think the fundamental and exotic changes that Lazor brings are just starting to scratch the surface. If we can maintain a solid level consistency and execution we'll see an excellent offensive unit and a QB playing at a very high level. I really like the intangibles that Philbin brings despite him not being a fan/player friendly choice. I think if we go into the off-season after making the playoffs and we're looking at a coaching change, it might be with a more experienced defensive coordinator in replacing Coyle.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Big upset as a 3.5 point underdog. Sometimes certain posters are pure gold.

Let's see, the "one-read retard" managed 7.7 yards per attempt in a victory while Alex Smith had 5.6 in a loss. That's called par for the course. That quarterback decision is the reason Jim Harbaugh has always been a terrific coach and the happy adjusting bar stool simpletons seldom fail to entertain.

 

[LDaniel7]

Big upset as a 3.5 point underdog. Sometimes certain posters are pure gold.

Let's see, the "one-read retard" managed 7.7 yards per attempt in a victory while Alex Smith had 5.6 in a loss. That's called par for the course. That quarterback decision is the reason Jim Harbaugh has always been a terrific coach and the happy adjusting bar stool simpletons seldom fail to entertain.

Packers offense is hitting on all cylinders. The team as a whole just annihilated Minnesota and has had ten days rest. And "big upset" is a matter of perspective. Number one QB in the league coming in down. 4 point dogs at home.

In the current era, Miami has usually crapped out in games like this.

And calling someone a happy adjuster and a simpleton for quoting a San Fran fan -- and then using a stat that says zero about the read or lack thereof that obtained it -- not only is it cranky, it's wrong.

Put down the whiskey man. It makes you mean and foolish.

LD

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Big upset as a 3.5 point underdog. Sometimes certain posters are pure gold.

Let's see, the "one-read retard" managed 7.7 yards per attempt in a victory while Alex Smith had 5.6 in a loss. That's called par for the course. That quarterback decision is the reason Jim Harbaugh has always been a terrific coach and the happy adjusting bar stool simpletons seldom fail to entertain.

It has nothing to do with the betting line, as I stated in another thread. I realize that as a professional gambler, you view everything through that prism, but fortunately, not all of us care about that. The Packers are heavy favorites based on team performance to date if you consider their offensive and defensive efficiency in the passing game and how those correlate to winning. It's not even close, honestly.

Incidentally, Touchdown - interception efficiency differential is an objectively better predictor of both scoring output and winning percentage than yards per attempt.

But please, continue chimping out and calling me a simpleton. :snack:

 

[ChambersWI]

With the type of coach Joe Philbin is, he needed to put a strong staff together. For his first two years, his offensive staff failed him. Now where the criticism is valid IMO is that Philbin should have (as a guy with an offensive background) should have stepped in and took a more active role when it became obvious that Mike Sherman's way of coaching wasn't working (I want to say outdated, but that may not be fair).

I think Philbin has shown some encouraging signs in his time as a coach, but I also think that it's also fair to question his ability.

Of course, based on what I know about Harbaugh I'd also say that there's only a 5% chance if that of him coming to Miami.

 

[roy_miami]

I do not disagree that Dennis has done well in his short time. IF, IF, IF you want to double down on Dennis Hickey, Steve Ross MUST get out of the way and let Dennis pick the coach. However, you and I both know that will not happen.

If Hickey is allowed to hire the coach he wants and the coach that shares his vision my guess is Joe Philbin would be that coach.

 

[roy_miami]

Coaches obviously have different methods and styles. I see Joe's coaching style as that of a principal of a school. The principal is obviously the guy in charge. He will walk around and stick his head into classrooms, get to know the students (players) and meet with the teachers (coordinators and assistants) to make sure everyone is on the same page as his curriculum (game plan), view progress reports (analyze game flim, depth chart), etc. But the students (players) have far more interaction with the teachers (coordinators and assistants) on a daily basis and that is were most of their hands on learning (coaching) comes from. He is not the type of "student/player" principal (coach) to be found paling around in the lunchroom, the gym or the auditorium. :idk: Maybe that makes sense.

I think Philbin has currently surrounded himself, with the help of Ross and others, with a very good complimentary staff to offset his strengths and weakness as a HC.

Agreed. I think his strengths and weaknesses are the exact opposite of a Rex Ryan but at the end of the day they essentially end up on the same level. I would add that even though Philbin appears like a male librarian he's probably better at coaching than most give him credit for just from the simple fact that its all he's ever done. On the flip side Rex Ryan appears like a big dumb oaf but I think he's a lot smarter than the average fan would believe, he's actually very good at game management.