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i went back tonight and keyed nothing but the qb for every snap he took and i'm saying right now do not lose faith in this qb...it's his second game in this new offense and there's not ONE BAD DECISION from the qb anywhere on it...and i will call out anyone on this board to tell me there is...

not one...the pick at the end of the game is even a one on one opportunity sure it got picked but i don't care...there's not a bad decision anywhere...in the first half he is executing the offense period...i already talked about the missed execution on some big play potential like the deep ball to wallace and the pivot route to gibson which were spot on decisions that just lacked execution

you can't find these kind of decision makers very often in pro football...they just aren't there...

both the sacks in the first half not a damn thing he could do...the 3rd i already said on the qb for holding the ball...the 4th he stepped up nicely to the inside against wide edge pressure but stepped right into interior pressure when he did...not on the qb

miami tried to run the ball on 3rd down multiple times in the first half and came up short again not on the qb

i already see better climbing the pocket from the qb and periferal vision against wide pressure he is absolutely stepping forward and letting rushers go wide by...

do not lose faith folks...i even see where he tried to hit wallace on a corner route was looking that way no safety over the top but the db ended up on the outside early and he came off of it and threw a ball in the flat to damien williams for a short gain...he wanted it the coverage just made him come off of it...

on a second note i can't wait to have pouncey at center and work those sweep plays where he can fire out on the pull and lead the back around the edge...god dang will it be a massive move athlete upgrade for this offense when he is on the pivot
 
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hooshoops said:
i went back tonight and keyed nothing but the qb for every snap he took and i'm saying right now do not lose faith in this qb...it's his second game in this new offense and there's not ONE BAD DECISION from the qb anywhere on it...and i will call out anyone on this board to tell me there is...

not one...the pick at the end of the game is even a one on one opportunity sure it got picked but i don't care...there's not a bad decision anywhere...in the first half he is executing the offense period...i already talked about the missed execution on some big play potential like the deep ball to wallace and the pivot route to gibson which were spot on decisions that just lacked execution

you can't find these kind of decision makers very often in pro football...they just aren't there...

both the sacks in the first half not a damn thing he could do...the 3rd i already said on the qb for holding the ball...the 4th he stepped up nicely to the inside against wide edge pressure but stepped right into interior pressure when he did...not on the qb

miami tried to run the ball on 3rd down multiple times in the first half and came up short again not on the qb

i already see better climbing the pocket from the qb and periferal vision against wide pressure he is absolutely stepping forward and letting rushers go wide by...

do not lose faith folks...i even see where he tried to hit wallace on a corner route was looking that way no safety over the top but the db ended up on the outside and he came off of it and threw a ball in the flat to damien williams for a short gain...he wanted it the coverage just made him come off of it...

on a second note i can't wait to have pouncey at center and work those sweep plays where he can fire out on the pull and lead the back around the edge...god dang will it be a massive move athlete upgrade for this offense when he is on the pivot
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Keep rollin' the gold, hoops.

Dang gold analysis right there.

LD
 
We've got the 32nd ranked defense coming to town (and they aren't much better on offense) so we better ****ing kick some major ass.
 
hooshoops said:
i went back tonight and keyed nothing but the qb for every snap he took and i'm saying right now do not lose faith in this qb...it's his second game in this new offense and there's not ONE BAD DECISION from the qb anywhere on it...and i will call out anyone on this board to tell me there is...
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You have unknowingly described an ominous combination. Tannehill made every decision perfectly yet we ended up with 10 points and a lopsided divisional loss?

I'll take BAD DECISIONS for $2000, Alex. Maybe behind that card I'll find some margin for error. I don't want to bet on a pro golfer who swings beautifully all day and signs for 76. Give me the guy who scruffs it around in a huff and shoots 71.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
You have unknowingly described an ominous combination. Tannehill made every decision perfectly yet we ended up with 10 points and a lopsided divisional loss?

I'll take BAD DECISIONS for $2000, Alex. Maybe behind that card I'll find some margin for error. I don't want to bet on a pro golfer who swings beautifully all day and signs for 76. Give me the guy who scruffs it around in a huff and shoots 71.
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i'm sure you would and i get why people want more...scoreboard says we need more...but at least i know it's not anything more than execution of a couple plays and not a qb just not seeing the opportunities that were presented to him...
 
Hoops, good info on your decision-making analysis. In your study, did you pick up on anything mechanically explaining Tannehill's inaccuracy and bad throws? Did it all change after Kyle Williams broke free in a series of plays? Supposedly Lazor worked with Ryan on his footwork all offseason to get the accuracy better. Did that breakdown again? Is he hearing footsteps after getting knocked around? Rushing his throws? I just wonder if his footwork has gone all to hell given that Lazor specifically said that was a culprit in his accuracy in the offseason.

The deep ball at this point is mental. You could hit on a few accidentally rather than skill at this point just from the statistical odds of throwing it up. Even that's not happening. Ryan's got the arm. Muscle memory can get trained. IMO it's in his head.
 
Austin Tatious said:
Hoops, good info on your decision-making analysis. In your study, did you pick up on anything mechanically explaining Tannehill's inaccuracy and bad throws? Did it all change after Kyle Williams broke free in a series of plays? Supposedly Lazor worked with Ryan on his footwork all offseason to get the accuracy better. Did that breakdown again? Is he hearing footsteps after getting knocked around? Rushing his throws? I just wonder if his footwork has gone all to hell given that Lazor specifically said that was a culprit in his accuracy in the offseason.

The deep ball at this point is mental. You could hit on a few accidentally rather than skill at this point just from the statistical odds of throwing it up. Even that's not happening. Ryan's got the arm. Muscle memory can get trained. IMO it's in his head.
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i was looking for signs of a guy rushing thru his reads being worried about contact...i can't find it anywhere...a couple of plays the foot work was poor on under routes in the flats to the rbs...like it was a given he would complete them and he was bailing out on the throw not because of pressure...almost like it was a designed screen pass and he was influencing the d before throwing off his back foot while bailing...clean those up period

it's much better though as far as the way he saw the field than i anticipated off a live look and a second look just watching the game when i actually break down just the qb play...i wanted him to hit on those big plays just like everyone else did trust me...there's absolutely though no reason to panic off the tape
 
He looks tentative in the pocket to me, like he's over thinking it. Could be he's not as confident in the new system yet, but he needs to trust his mechanics and throw it and not aim it.
 
I just think he needs to lock in on his mechanics consistently for the short and intermediate routes, and relax on the deep ball and throw it out front for Wallace. He has every skill to do these things and the work ethic and good attitude to get it done. I don't know what falls off on his consistency. You've got to know what you're getting from your qb play after play. You can't have those misses like he had to Gibby in the red zone. Those types of plays can make the difference between winning and losing. Your teammates, on both sides of the ball, have to trust you to make that throw.

I do have confidence that Lazor broke down the film and showed him exactly what went wrong. So mechanical corrections can be made off the tape.

If he gets his mechanics consistently good and he relaxes on the deep ball, this guy can be a high end qb. And with that, although he is a nice guy, I think he will demand more from his teammates like good leaders do. The league has had many guys that took a few years to figure it out. Drew Brees struggled for 3 years. Alex Smith, even longer. In the old days, many qbs had stories like that. You don't want to bail on a guy too fast and have it blow up in your face.
 
Austin Tatious said:
I just think he needs to lock in on his mechanics consistently for the short and intermediate routes, and relax on the deep ball and throw it out front for Wallace. He has every skill to do these things and the work ethic and good attitude to get it done. I don't know what falls off on his consistency. You've got to know what you're getting from your qb play after play. You can't have those misses like he had to Gibby in the red zone. Those types of plays can make the difference between winning and losing. Your teammates, on both sides of the ball, have to trust you to make that throw.

I do have confidence that Lazor broke down the film and showed him exactly what went wrong. So mechanical corrections can be made off the tape.

If he gets his mechanics consistently good and he relaxes on the deep ball, this guy can be a high end qb. And with that, although he is a nice guy, I think he will demand more from his teammates like good leaders do. The league has had many guys that took a few years to figure it out. Drew Brees struggled for 3 years. Alex Smith, even longer. In the old days, many qbs had stories like that. You don't want to bail on a guy too fast and have it blow up in your face.
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Spot on sir. It's not easy to find guys with Tannehill's athletic ability, arm strength and ability to process, BUT right now his execution is off. Again, it could be a matter of confidence with the system, receivers, possibly both. Hopefully he get's it figured out soon and just plays the position.
 
there's a play that i think need clarity...remember the ball thrown to wallace feet on the stop route that bounced??? well i do...and when i saw it live i said "come on ryan"...i was so puzzled by what happened i went back for a further look...the play is a designed run both the wrs on the opposite side come off the los and are run blocking tannehill sees the coverage decides he wants that quick hitter for an easy 4-5 yards and keeps it...wallace gets the wrong depth on the route (perfect example of what philbin said here about depth on routes) and takes a couple extra steps and the ball bounces at his feet...a ball thrown low like it should be but completed for a quick hitter gain off the coverage provided the wr runs the route at the right depth...

i see a lot of inconsistent depth on sideline routes with wallace...balls he catches but is either having to lean etc...route running is not a real strength of his obviously his best route is probably the deep post when he's clean off the ball...i think the depth on routes issue is a lot about wallace personally...i'm not bagging though cause he's the only one that has the over the top threat ability to receive such soft coverage and make good on more up the field stop routes etc and also to keep the defense honest and no matter what anyone else says the threat of him vertical over the coverage scares the hell out of dcs
 
here's a play i found where tannehill should have influenced it better...remember the bootleg to clay for like a 5 yard loss??? well he's got hartline working an intermediate crosser from the play side the safety williams is off the los about 5 yards but responsible for clay in the flats etc he's reading tannehills eyes if tanny had come out of that bootleg and looked to the crosser on the inside before dumping it to clay he would have influenced williams inside a step or two (again eye watching) and clay could have then caught the ball and likely turned up field down the side before williams would have got there for a solid gain...instead he never looks inside takes the easy bird in hand never influences williams at all and williams drives on the ball and route from off coverage for an explosive tackle for loss

now he may have decided presnap he didnt have that crosser with hartline and i would probably agree that there is no window there with williams sitting on the weakside of the play like that and a drop lb if i recall correctly in the middle of the field but he at least needs to look to it and influence williams before dumping to clay...

that may come in time...
 
Its annoying me they are giving Landry so much play in the passing game. I think he is going to be a fantastic addition to the Dolphins and last for a very long time. However, I much rather have Rishard Matthews getting reps right now. He is the only wideout thats big and physical on our team. He can make most of the tough catches and get YAC as well. I was completely livid when Tannenhill missed him twice during the game. On the dig/post route and then the open go/fade route at the end. Tannenhill is making such good reads, just throw the ****ing ball and execute.
 
if you are watching this tape of the qb as his oc and his hc and you see how damn spot on the decision making is from this qb (and it has been like this his pro career) there is absolutely no reason you shouldn't trust this qb enough to play faster...period

you telling me if you pick up the tempo his decision making is gonna go in the tank??? not buying that...if anything it will make the defense declare and play basically one or two coverages and you will attack weaknesses and find more blown coverages and mismatches due to communication and personel issues from the opposition

the colts o took off last year when they did what i called for from like week 5 even with them and let luck play fast...it was obvious he was ready for it...miami should be doing the same with ryan tannehill...miami can dictate to the opposition if we let this qb play fast
 
Unchained 07 said:
He looks tentative in the pocket to me, like he's over thinking it. Could be he's not as confident in the new system yet, but he needs to trust his mechanics and throw it and not aim it.
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see i don't see that...i think cause he's taking a lot of things underneath people assume that he's not seeing it right or not looking down the field and going thru progressions...but if you look at the coverages being played and the routes being designed to clear out coverage etc he's taking what the play calls and coverages are designed to...
 
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