How does our head coach not know about basically our whole oline having turmoil?

[DuderinoN703]

That's what happens when you let Reggie Bush, Jake Long, and Karlos Dansby go. Notice they all had better years with their new Teams. Not surprised...

None of those players were let go

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The HC doesn't know what's going on in his own locker room for 2 years and you don't see a problem with that? He doesn't know that his players are harassing a staffer and you don't see a problem with that? One of his assistant coaches goes in on some of the harassing and he doesn't know anything about it and you don't see a problem with that?

Philbin is either a liar or completely clueless

Can any mother****er here explain what Philbin is supposed to do if Martin doesn't tell him this is going on? How is he supposed "get it"?

 

[Phantom]

Philbin knew what happened on the golf course. He should have been all over anything Incognito did from that day on. Their was already a huge red flag right there, and they fell asleep at the wheel, and let more go on by not keeping him in check.

 

[andyahs]

Philbin knew what happened on the golf course. He should have been all over anything Incognito did from that day on. Their was already a huge red flag right there, and they fell asleep at the wheel, and let more go on by not keeping him in check.

Yes and he wanted Ritchie gone but was overruled by Ireland.

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[phins_4_ever]

Isn't this all speculation and opinion why is yours better than mine, what makes you so informed, are you there?

As far as my dislike for Philbin...I think he's a horrible coach. I also think he doesn't like leaders on his team and shows this by not having team captains. I also believe Turner holds the most responsibility. However, as Turner's boss Philbin holds culpability as well. If this was just one or may two people and it was a short period of time maybe I could understand, but this went on for more than a year...try and grasp that. Things of this magnitude went on since Philbin’s has been with this team (and probably before) and yet he knew nothing. It wasn't just one or two people, it was his entire offensive line depending on how many they had on the roster that's what 15-20% of your team, and you have no clue what’s going on with them. The report even states it was happening during pre-game warm ups.

Believe what you want, that's fine and your right, but I don't buy it and because I don't doesn't give you the right to tell me I am full of it as I have respected your opinion even if I don't agree.

I really don't speculate. What I wrote was a normal corporate structure. If you have a 5 person company that of course eliminates all the supervisors. But any larger company has different departments and very much the structure I laid out. You can the break a football team down on different departments:
HC ===> Offense and Defense
Offense ===> WR + OL + RBs/TEs/FB +QBs
Defense ===> Secondary, DL, LBs

This is usually how they practice in groups (departments) and only get together when try run the playbook.

And in Turner's case I also stated the fact that he did stupid crap as well (i.e. the male rubber doll). No speculation either.

JUst like with Ross as owner I am not a Philbin fan. But just like with Ross in the GM search I am not laying crap on Philbin just because. If he knew about: fine fire him. But all evidence points to him not having any knowledge and those below him failing to report it.

 

[Phantom]

Yes and he wanted Ritchie gone but was overruled by Ireland.

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So that means you just turn a blind eye to a troublemaker?
He should have all over this clown after that.

 

[Cali Finfan]

If nothing was ever brought to Philbin's attention he cannot be held responsible period. Turner however, should be out of a job and I think that will be the case with the recent moves on additions to the offensive line coaching staff. Remember, Philbin tried to release Incognito and was overruled by Ireland. I have no doubt that Philbin would have dealt with this if it had been brought to his attention.

 

[Nublar7]

Willie McGinest and Solomon Wilcots find no fault in the fact that Philbin didn't know. While some are quick to throw Philbin under the bus for not knowing, those two had an intelligent conversation as to why he wouldn't have known.

 

[J Tes]

None of those players were let go

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Can any mother****er here explain what Philbin is supposed to do if Martin doesn't tell him this is going on? How is he supposed "get it"?

He's the HC. It's his locker room. This isn't a one time thing. This happened multiple times, to multiple people over a long period of time. The entire time he's been the coach players on his team were getting harassed by other members of his team and he "didn't" know about it? I don't buy that but even if I did or you do that's a problem. How friggin clueless is he?

In the report trainer O'neill pulled Martin aside and told him that he was too nice and needed to stand up for himself more. He noticed it but not Philbin. Like I said. He's either lying or clueless.

Hell, he's where he is because he was an O-line coach. You'd think he'd take a little interest in what's going on with his.

 

[FinHopeful]

It was never brought to his attention, and he can't police parties/get togethers outside the team facility and text messages. The guys who felt harassed never said a word to him and the couple who did know(Turner, trainer) said nothing. It is hard to know what is going on outside the place of work when everyone involved keeps it to themselves.

The only thing Philbin was aware of was that Martin was dealing with depression, and he took steps along with Martin's father to get him help.

The funny thing is, I see threads like this and people on Twitter calling for Philbin to be fired because of this. Yet, the report clears Philbin of any wrong doing and Wells went out of his way to praise him and says things would have been handled if it was brought to his attention. Hard to place any blame on Joe in regards to this situation.

Well said!

 

[Tiko377]

Willie McGinest and Solomon Wilcots find no fault in the fact that Philbin didn't know. While some are quick to throw Philbin under the bus for not knowing, those two had an intelligent conversation as to why he wouldn't have known.

what are the reasons??

 

[FinHopeful]

I haven't read the report yet, just bits and pieces, but this is from Barry Jackson, and this is my point. This was going on during pre-game warmups, how does he not know???give me a break.

Please read the entire executive summary at least.

 

[Bob512]

what are the reasons??

I just saw the interview with these two on the NFL network. Essentially, they articulated that the locker room was a players only area and the head coach and the Coordinators typically stay away. They both felt it was very reasonable that Philbin was not aware....especially if Turner wasn't completely forthcoming when asked about it.

They also ran some interviews with players from other teams and asked if the league could actually influence how the players behaved in the locker room. Each one said no. The locker room is the domain of the players and they have to police themselves. They interviewed Vilma, Cromartie from other teams and had a short interview with Brian Hartline from the Phins. All of them said the same thing.....

 

[HoneyB]

I didn't read through this thread, but I agree with the title premise, which is how in the hell did Philbin not know.

And how, after the golf club incident, and after you fine the guy and he retaliates against the team, that you not only keep him on the roster but put him in charge of your LT?

There is something called plausible deniability, and it reeks. It's the opposite of, the buck stops here. If you're a CEO, or an Admiral, or a Warden, or a President, or anyone in charge in some fashion, you can delegate and give general directives and punish non-performance while at the same time make it so you're not directly told a hell of a lot of things. Philbin, the offensive specialist, the former coordinator, o line coach....has no idea his entire O line is imploding, even though it EVEN SHOWED ON THE FIELD.

When Ireland was on the hot seat, Philbin said oh no, personnel, that's his job I don't get involved. When it comes to the O line I suppose he's now saying, oh no, the O line that's Turner's job. Schemes and plays, that was Sherman's job. What is HIS job, exactly??

 

[Nublar7]

what are the reasons??

The video will probably be up on NFL.com later tonight, but they talked about how a head coach in the NFL is more like a CEO of a company. While they are in charge of the team, they are taking care of so many things that they can't keep an eye on the locker room all the time. That head coaches rely on their assistants and team leaders to relay information about the daily activities in the room.

Jim Turner was apparently aware, as was an athletic trainer, but neither of them reported anything. Even after all this stuff came out, Turner denied the allegations to Philbin. This also seemed to be within just the offensive line group and we saw so many other position players saying they had no idea anything was going on. So it is hard to blame guys like Tannehill and Hartline when they never saw anything or didn't socialize with them outside of the team facility.

The point about team leaders is that the players themselves(not the coaching staff) put together the leadership council. McGinest and Wilcots said that since Incognito was on that council, he never would have reported anything to Philbin when he asked for updates.

 

[Phantom]

In my job we had squads, and every squad had supervisor, and a boss. If you got called in by management for doing wrong, and it wasn't your bosses who had you called in, they got the same punishment you did.