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How Many Wins in 2013 was Ryan Tannehill Responsible for?

he was going to start w/o question.

wrong.

Unfortunately he will be released, I hope we sign him back but on top of the baggage from the 2012 season he is coming off a serious injury to his throwing shoulder so I would expect he will sign elsewhere.

If he is the difference between making the playoffs or not, and they are not paying Geno much, why would they release Mark? Makes no sense unless they don't agree that he is the answer.

Hopefully not in Miami as I don't want to see you guys go to the playoffs.

I am confident he is not coming to Miami.
 
wrong.



If he is the difference between making the playoffs or not, and they are not paying Geno much, why would they release Mark? Makes no sense unless they don't agree that he is the answer.



I am confident he is not coming to Miami.

it is 100% correct. he was starting the season.

new Gm has no ties to mark, I am hopeful w/ rex's new deal maybe he can convince him to re-sign him but we'll see.

I hope not, I enjoy watching you guys miss the postseason every year.
 
He drafted a QB, that's the guy he wants. That is why Mark wasn't named starting QB already.

see the link below(change buttfumble to $anchez so you can view article)

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/sportingscene/2014/01/consider-mark-sanchez.html

The point is that he felt he needed a new QB. If a team with a quality QB hires a new GM, he does not set out to replace the QB. Find me one example where that has happened. The closest example I can think of is SD. Brees didn't play well early in his career so they drafted Rivers. They drafted a new QB specifically because they didn't believe Brees was the answer, same as the Jets with Sanchez. The only difference is that Brees turned the corner before Rivers became the starter. I still think SD screwed up by not signing Brees to snow extension earlier and letting him walk for nothing.
 
The point is that he felt he needed a new QB. If a team with a quality QB hires a new GM, he does not set out to replace the QB. Find me one example where that has happened. The closest example I can think of is SD. Brees didn't play well early in his career so they drafted Rivers. They drafted a new QB specifically because they didn't believe Brees was the answer, same as the Jets with Sanchez. The only difference is that Brees turned the corner before Rivers became the starter. I still think SD screwed up by not signing Brees to snow extension earlier and letting him walk for nothing.

SD drafted a guy in the top 10, we used our 3rd pick of the draft and mark never had a chance to play this year b/c of the injury. He was having a good camp and preseason and I believe would have had a good year. we'll see what happens, if he is let go he won't be the first guy that has a chance to succeed after being let go.
 
SD drafted a guy in the top 10, we used our 3rd pick of the draft and mark never had a chance to play this year b/c of the injury. He was having a good camp and preseason and I believe would have had a good year. we'll see what happens, if he is let go he won't be the first guy that has a chance to succeed after being let go.

So where has a team ever drafted a new QB to replace one they were happy with simply because of a new GM?
 
From the following webpage:

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2007/08/qb-passer-rating.html

Utilizing the above formula, we get the following data for the 2013 season:

Player
Wins Added
Nick Foles
2.69
Peyton Manning
2.50
Aaron Rodgers
1.88
Philip Rivers
1.94
Drew Brees
1.72
Russell Wilson
1.70
Colin Kaepernick
1.87
Tony Romo
1.03
Matthew Stafford
0.69
Andy Dalton
0.41
Jay Cutler
1.73
Ben Roethlisberger
0.50
Sam Bradford
0.18
Tom Brady
0.94
Andrew Luck
0.57
Alex Smith
0.18
Matt Ryan
0.27
Matt Cassel
0.62
Cam Newton
-0.04
Carson Palmer
0.82
Ryan Fitzpatrick
0.55
Robert Griffin III
0.35
Case Keenum
1.12
Jason Campbell
-0.11
Mike Glennon
0.97
Ryan Tannehill
0.41
EJ Manuel
-0.15
Chad Henne
-0.95
Joe Flacco
-0.48
Eli Manning
0.13
Matt Schaub
0.25
Brandon Weeden
0.49
Geno Smith
-0.42
AVERAGE
0.74
STANDARD DEVIATION
0.87
TANNEHILL
0.41
TANNEHILL Z-SCORE
-0.38
TANNEHILL PERCENTILE RANK
40.6

As with seemingly just about everything, he was around average.

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I could be wrong at times but not when we discuss things b/c it is clear you don't even read my posts. When you actually read my posts and debate the points I bring up maybe we could have a fun discussion but you just like to throw in passive aggressive insults and ignore the topics. I used to think you were better than that but unfortunately this posting style has become the norm for you(at least in regards to me).

Why would I not read your posts but respond to them? You're wrong on that. You also tell me I'm angry when all I do is disagree with you. Anger has nothing to do with that.
 
it is 100% correct. he was starting the season.

new Gm has no ties to mark, I am hopeful w/ rex's new deal maybe he can convince him to re-sign him but we'll see.

I hope not, I enjoy watching you guys miss the postseason every year.

If the QB was worth a damn it makes no difference what GM comes in to take over the team. How anyone could disagree with this is beyond me.

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he was going to start w/o question.

Unfortunately he will be released, I hope we sign him back but on top of the baggage from the 2012 season he is coming off a serious injury to his throwing shoulder so I would expect he will sign elsewhere. Hopefully not in Miami as I don't want to see you guys go to the playoffs.

So the only way Miami gets to the playoffs next year it to sign Sanchez in the offseason. That has to be proof you are either actually Sanchez or you work for him in some capacity.
 
A better question is why you'd even read junc's posts in the first place.
 
How the hell can anyone come to the conclusion our line was fine. Lol yea that's why we traded for a washed up McKinnie and benched our starting RT.
Let me see year 2 Tannehill is sacked basically twice as much as the year before after changing out our Tackles but he is the reason why pass protection was so bad.
If you don't like Tannehill fine but you are not watching the games if you think a majority of the sacks are on the qb.
 
How the hell can anyone come to the conclusion our line was fine. Lol yea that's why we traded for a washed up McKinnie and benched our starting RT.
Let me see year 2 Tannehill is sacked basically twice as much as the year before after changing out our Tackles but he is the reason why pass protection was so bad.
If you don't like Tannehill fine but you are not watching the games if you think a majority of the sacks are on the qb.
Actually we've done a poll on that here in the forum. Apparently everyone here does watch the games. :)
 
Mark 2010 was head and shoulders better than what Ryan did this year.

You keep just saying Mark was better...that's it, nothing prove you to be right, not stats, not the famous eye test, not tape comparison on both. I guess in order to see it, special type of glasses are needed.

Many of those sacks were b/c of a QB not knowing to do w/ the ball.

Tannehill had less time to get rid of the ball then the average amount of time most QBs got this year (when Ryan did get the average time to get rid of the ball, he was one of the more accurate and consistent QBs). No QB saw the pass-rush coming from multiple directions more times this year also.

Ryan was responsible for a few sack, holding on to the ball too long, but the majority of those sack came because the line could not handle the pass-rusher, or nobody back there could pickup the blitz. You act as if you watched all the Dolphins games, but we both know you didn't, and have no clue who is responsible, if as you said Ryan had been the key reason, he would not have continued to start, but you were too busy watching the Jets to see this.
it's not amazing, he had playoff caliber talent around him. The best receivers to throw to in the division

I do agree Sanchez did have playoff quality talent around him to help him reach the playoffs...glad to see you are finally seeing the truth.

Wilson is a young QB, keep is a young QB, mark was a young QB in 2009 and 2010. I don't buy the young QB excuse.

Two of those two are very athletic, and could move around to get yardage when there was nothing, but all three had a good running game (Tannehill didn't), had at the very least OK to good O-line (Tannehill did not), and all three had a consistent defense that kept them in the games (Tannehill didn't). Miami also lost, not 1, not 2, but 3 key receiving weapons for the year....if that happened to Sanchez, he would have been done.

yep, it's all Sherman's fault just like it was all Henning's fault a few years ago.

Now your getting it. Quality coordinators are so tough to find....Miami should stay away from old, stubborn, set in their way coordinators....let us see how Lazor will work out.

He could have better stats, mark was the better QB making big time throws in big time games.

That's the thing though, Sanchez really didn't make any bigtime throws or plays....unless you are speaking of the throws/fumbles he made to the other team. Sanchez is so good, odds are pretty bad he is with the Jets, odds are even bad he can get a job as a backup, let alone a starter's job ever again.
 
You keep just saying Mark was better...that's it, nothing prove you to be right, not stats, not the famous eye test, not tape comparison on both. I guess in order to see it, special type of glasses are needed.



Tannehill had less time to get rid of the ball then the average amount of time most QBs got this year (when Ryan did get the average time to get rid of the ball, he was one of the more accurate and consistent QBs). No QB saw the pass-rush coming from multiple directions more times this year also.

Ryan was responsible for a few sack, holding on to the ball too long, but the majority of those sack came because the line could not handle the pass-rusher, or nobody back there could pickup the blitz. You act as if you watched all the Dolphins games, but we both know you didn't, and have no clue who is responsible, if as you said Ryan had been the key reason, he would not have continued to start, but you were too busy watching the Jets to see this.


I do agree buttfumble did have playoff quality talent around him to help him reach the playoffs...glad to see you are finally seeing the truth.



Two of those two are very athletic, and could move around to get yardage when there was nothing, but all three had a good running game (Tannehill didn't), had at the very least OK to good O-line (Tannehill did not), and all three had a consistent defense that kept them in the games (Tannehill didn't). Miami also lost, not 1, not 2, but 3 key receiving weapons for the year....if that happened to buttfumble, he would have been done.



Now your getting it. Quality coordinators are so tough to find....Miami should stay away from old, stubborn, set in their way coordinators....let us see how Lazor will work out.



That's the thing though, buttfumble really didn't make any bigtime throws or plays....unless you are speaking of the throws/fumbles he made to the other team. buttfumble is so good, odds are pretty bad he is with the Jets, odds are even bad he can get a job as a backup, let alone a starter's job ever again.


Definitely the eye test. He led us on 5-6 late game comeback wins after our supposed top D blew it or our supposed top run game couldn't get it done. The man made plays to win, cant' say the same about Ryan. He can have a few better #s w/ many more pass attempts.

Ryan had plenty of time to throw, he was indecisive far too often.

Accuracy is not his forte.

I watched more than enough of Ryan, not every snap but many of them. I saw too many times where he had enough time and took a sack.

Ryan had playoff caliber talent around him, couldn't even get to a playoff game let alone win playoff games.

Ryan isn't athletic?

Ryan as a rookie had a run game comparable to what mark had in 2010.

Your D has kept you in almost every game, you have a playoff D.

made big time plays in every playoff game.

Ryan will be moving on soon enough.
 
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