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If the New Offensive System is Different from Sherman's...

...then what effect do you believe it will have on Ryan Tannehill?

  • His improvement (if any) will be less than it would have in Sherman's system.

    Votes: 4 4.9%

  • His improvement (if any) will be more than it would have in Sherman's system.

    Votes: 62 75.6%

  • His improvement (if any) will be no different than it would have in Sherman's system.

    Votes: 16 19.5%
  • Total voters
    82
Marley7 said:
Dang Shouright keep your head up buddy! Haha I can tell you've made a lot of friends on here, but hey man believe it or not I enjoy reading all your crazy ass posts! Just know it wouldn't be the same on here without you and your wild statistics!
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Rest assured my head's never been down. :up:
 
Elle Clouds said:
I'm sure we will hear alot of this if Tannehill regresses... reminds me alot of the excuses Jet fans made for Mark Sanchez and the change in coordinators. Either you have it or you don't when it comes to being an elite quarterback.
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Seriously, in years 1 and 2, what exactly are the clues. Then show me how they apply to every elite QB past and present. Then explain WTF an elite QB is anyway. Then explain why you think an elite QB is necessary to win the SB. 7 of the last 14 SB winners weren't considered elite when they won the SB.

The problem with the Tannehaters is they want Tannehill to fail so they can be right. No one invests so much effort to trash one player unless they want them to fail.
 
Choice (4) - His improvement will be denied by the bashers and they will have loads of BS "objective evidence", flawed conclusions, and exaggerations to back them up.

I vote for choice 4.
 
Phantom said:
One thing is for sure, it will be an excuse for more poor play. It's the first year in a new system is what you will hear.
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Exactly. Another excuse.

Just should've gotten rid of everyone and started over.

The more I think of it, the more it seems it will be very tough to get someone good to prop up a lame duck coach.
 
hoever the new OC is, I hope we don't need to listen aymore to GO or GO GO

Ozzy rules!!
 
Canadianfishfan said:
Exactly. Another excuse.

Just should've gotten rid of everyone and started over.

The more I think of it, the more it seems it will be very tough to get someone good to prop up a lame duck coach.
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If an OC candidate doesn't think he can turn around the offense enough to give the lame duck coach more time, I don't want them as the OC.
 
Honestly there's only 4 elite qbs in the NFL right now IMO. I don't look at stats to prove my point, I don't need variables or whatever these people use as "evidence" to why said qb is good or bad.

Elite qb is a qb that puts his team on his back and dominates during times of distress. Qbs that don't need a supporting cast to win games, i.e Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco etc. Guys that no matter what the situation is there gonna win, they have that confidence.

Winston last night was a elite qb. ****ty all night until it mattered. Luck was elite Sunday, that is what makes a elite qb. He wills his team to win no matter the circumstance or how bad a performance he put up.

I don't need to see YPA or other stats that are affected by the offense as a whole. I want to see him when the team needs him.
 
Phinatic8u said:
Honestly there's only 4 elite qbs in the NFL right now IMO. I don't look at stats to prove my point, I don't need variables or whatever these people use as "evidence" to why said qb is good or bad.

Elite qb is a qb that puts his team on his back and dominates during times of distress. Qbs that don't need a supporting cast to win games, i.e Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco etc. Guys that no matter what the situation is there gonna win, they have that confidence.

Winston last night was a elite qb. ****ty all night until it mattered. Luck was elite Sunday, that is what makes a elite qb. He wills his team to win no matter the circumstance or how bad a performance he put up.

I don't need to see YPA or other stats that are affected by the offense as a whole. I want to see him when the team needs him.
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Well then surprisingly enough, the stat you're looking for is WPA. :lol: ;)

WPA starts with a Win Probability (WP) model of the game of football. Every situation in a game gives each opponent a particular chance of winning, and a WP model estimates those chances. The model created here at Advanced NFL Stats uses score, time, down, distance, and field position to estimate how likely each team will go on to win the game. For example, at the start of the 2nd quarter, a team down by 7 points with a 2nd down and 5 from their own 25 will win about 36% of the time--in other words a 0.36 WP.

On that 2nd down and 5, let’s say there is a 30-yard pass, setting up a 1st down and 10 on the opponent’s 45. Now that team has gone from a 0.36 to a 0.39 WP. The WPA for that play would be +0.03.

If instead the quarterback throws an interception returned back to the line of scrimmage, the opponent now has the ball at the 25, giving the trailing team a 0.28 WP. The WPA for the interception would be -0.08.

WPA is very sensitive to the context of the game. That same interception that cost -0.08 when a team was down by 7 points in the 2nd quarter would cost much more if it the offense was leading by a point late in the 4th quarter. Putting your opponent in immediate field goal range would be nearly fatal.

Stats are tools, and each tool has its own purpose. WPA is what I call a narrative stat. Its purpose is not to be predictive of future play or to measure the true ability of a player or team. It simply measures the impact of each play toward winning and losing.

WPA has a number of applications. For starters, we can tell which plays were truly critical in each game. From a fan’s perspective, we can call a play the ‘play of the week’ or the ‘play of the year.’ And although we still can't separate an individual player's performance from that of his teammates', we add up the total WPA for plays in which individual players took part. This can help us see who really made the difference when it matters most. It can help tell us who is, or at least appears to be, “clutch.”
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http://www.advancednflstats.com/2010/01/win-probability-added-wpa-explained.html

And what do you know? Look who's at the top of the list:

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=QB

;)
 
AllFinsAllDay said:
Off topic:
How much do you pay for your season tickets?
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$1600 for two seats but watched some games in Club Liv and was deciding about getting season tickets for that section but it's upwards of $2500 and the Fins aren't worth it. I'll be putting that money into more Miami Heat tickets.
 
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