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If Tua is the pick do you draft 2 QBs this year due to health?

Fin-Loco said:
Fitz wasn't cemented in. Flores said he would start whoever was the better QB each and every week. So, that wasn't Rosen clearly.
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No he was cemented in by the time we got to the Cincinnati game. You’re commenting but you didn’t read the earlier posts. The offense was rolling, the players were all giddy with Fitz being the leader and Flores was not moving him at that point. If it were earlier in the season and Fitz had a bad three game stretch and he felt Rosen was ready then you probably would’ve seen him. But during that last 9 game run you could clearly see on the sideline Flores was enamored with Fitz.
 
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Fin-Loco said:
It was a concept floated for conversations sake. Tua specifically is there at #5 in theory due solely to health concerns. His hip is a serious injury. It's also an oddball injury that is hard to predict unlike ACL,s Shoulders, MCLs, etc that are much more common and a lot more well known. As such, we could draft a second QB this OR next year to ensure consistency at the position. In this year's FA and draft, there is not a better QB when healthy available (we can argue Burrow but moving up to #1 would take a barn full of picks and that's IF Ain would even do it). Tua is an amazing QB with he potential to be a HOF QB based upon his abilities so we don't want to miss out on him. However, if we go that route, we need to fortify the QB spot to make sure we have another starter behind him instead of just Backup Bob as so many teams have. To have this consistency, we need to make a QB another first round draft pick (I think) either this year or next. It's a new model to allow for maximum recoverability at the most important position. We need to value fixing the QB position higher than any other position because it's the most important in football. If becoming a great team is slowed by this to make sure we have it right, I'm ok with it.
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Fin-Loco said:
Fitz wasn't cemented in. Flores said he would start whoever was the better QB each and every week. So, that wasn't Rosen clearly.
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Fin-Loco said:
Right. Please tell me what part of Rosen you have seen in his two years as a pro and the fact he couldn't beat out Fitz that makes you feel he's a backup that can come in and win consistently. Sometimes the players that are cheap and easy to get are cheap and easy to get for a reason...
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Fin-Loco said:
It's not misrepresenting the truth though. You don't have surgery to repair something that isn't injured or broken. His parts get injured and broken much more often than the other QBs who play at that level in college.
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Fin-Loco said:
In English?
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I noticed that you're new here. Here's a little user tip to quote multiple post and reply to them in the same post, as I just did here. When scrolling down, click on the "+Quote" button on each post you want to quote, when ready to reply, just click on insert quotes, this will insert them in your reply box so you can reply to them in the same post.
 
Mach2 said:
No doubt Tua has the qualiies you look for in a top PROSPECT, but to say he is not fragile is ignoring reality.

Now I'm in the mood to listen to some old BTO. If you get the reference, you are probably older than dirt.
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Taysom Hill was called fragile when he came into the league believe it or not.. Never finished a season in college without a major injury
 
NBP81 said:
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Thanks!
 
Fin-Loco said:
It's not misrepresenting the truth though. You don't have surgery to repair something that isn't injured or broken. His parts get injured and broken much more often than the other QBs who play at that level in college.
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But is wasn’t about whether it was injured or broken, is was whether surgery was needed and specifically using the number of surgeries he had (or ‘needed’) against him. Saying he needed those surgeries is misrepresenting the truth because he didn’t need them. Saying he had the injuries or missed games is fine because that’s correct, but there’s no need to embellish the number of surgeries or the need to have them. Again I’m not saying that Tua hasn’t had the injuries or that his parts haven’t got broken more than other QBs, but that saying he’s ‘had to have four surgeries’ is not an accurate statement.
 
Sure, if we get Tua in the middle or late first.

If we take him at 5 or god forbid we are dumb enough to trade up to take him then no.

We should invest in the oline and a couple running backs regardless of who the QB is.
 
meatpardle said:
But is wasn’t about whether it was injured or broken, is was whether surgery was needed and specifically using the number of surgeries he had (or ‘needed’) against him. Saying he needed those surgeries is misrepresenting the truth because he didn’t need them. Saying he had the injuries or missed games is fine because that’s correct, but there’s no need to embellish the number of surgeries or the need to have them. Again I’m not saying that Tua hasn’t had the injuries or that his parts haven’t got broken more than other QBs, but that saying he’s ‘had to have four surgeries’ is not an accurate statement.
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Sure. His ankle sprain had him hobbled so he "elected" to have it done with the other option being to sit out until it healed or have it get worse. He has a massive injury he's recovering from now that could result in early onset arthritis as well as in an NFL setting could be re-injured. Pitta the former TE for Balt had a very similar hip injury and it got so bad he had to retire. Tua is young and their medical staff responded immediately so if he weren't an NFL QB, he could be fine for the rest of his life. But as an NFL QB, that injury could pop back up.

Does any of this mean Tua can't be the next Favre and be an iron man? No. However, to have a plan with another blue chip QB drafted this year or next as a backup plan instead of the typical Backup Bob who is inept is prudent and worthy of discussion. I want Tua to come in and be an Iron Man but is it realistic? No. He was often injured no matter how you choose to view it and he still is.
 
Fin-Loco said:
Hi all. New guy here. Thanks for the warm welcome. Love this place.

So, we all know Tua is a fairly fragile QB. Alabama's OL was rated #3 and #4 in the two years he was the primary starter. He also was already out of the game in the third quarter in many of those games due to an extensive lead. So behind an impressive O Line, he got banged up enough to require four surgical procedures. He's now nursing a very interesting hip that could lead to early arthritis as well is likely to get re-injured according to my Orthopedic Specialist friend. Wherever he goes, there is a possibility he may not be cleared to play in a game until late in the first season or not until '21.

If Tua is the pick at #5, we have an interesting issue to ensure consistency at QB. Sure, we have Fitzpatrick now. But, would it be in our interest to take Tua AND Fromm? Maybe pay them both handsomely and have two eventual starters?

I know what I'm asking is dramatic, but how many teams in the last 4 years have not learned in a very painful manner that they are only as good as their backup QB. Tua is fragile behind one of the best O lines in college, to think he comes here and is suddenly never touched is foolish.

Please give your thoughts and remember I'm the new guy, so take it easy lol.
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Miami has been horrible for many years. This one pick is being cooked in a pressure cooker, as if it is the only pick we have. We also have two first round picks next year. Miami seems to be taking the issue that Fitzpatrick is the qb, and the #5 pick is the heir apparent. I agree with many posters here that there are way too many holes to fill, however, if the pick comes in and Miami has a QB as their best available, that could be justified. This is all moot until free agency is over. In my summary, it would be justified, just not in round 1. Miami needs first round talent at QB, RB, OL, and DE in round 1. We only have three picks.
 
Fin-Loco said:
Sure. His ankle sprain had him hobbled so he "elected" to have it done with the other option being to sit out until it healed or have it get worse. He has a massive injury he's recovering from now that could result in early onset arthritis as well as in an NFL setting could be re-injured. Pitta the former TE for Balt had a very similar hip injury and it got so bad he had to retire. Tua is young and their medical staff responded immediately so if he weren't an NFL QB, he could be fine for the rest of his life. But as an NFL QB, that injury could pop back up.

Does any of this mean Tua can't be the next Favre and be an iron man? No. However, to have a plan with another blue chip QB drafted this year or next as a backup plan instead of the typical Backup Bob who is inept is prudent and worthy of discussion. I want Tua to come in and be an Iron Man but is it realistic? No. He was often injured no matter how you choose to view it and he still is.
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Pitta had his best season after his injuries. He ended up retiring because the injury reoccurred multiple times. It's also a billion times more stressful on the body to play TE than QB, so that factors into the comparison.
 
Fin-Loco said:
It was a concept floated for conversations sake. Tua specifically is there at #5 in theory due solely to health concerns. His hip is a serious injury. It's also an oddball injury that is hard to predict unlike ACL,s Shoulders, MCLs, etc that are much more common and a lot more well known. As such, we could draft a second QB this OR next year to ensure consistency at the position. In this year's FA and draft, there is not a better QB when healthy available (we can argue Burrow but moving up to #1 would take a barn full of picks and that's IF Ain would even do it). Tua is an amazing QB with he potential to be a HOF QB based upon his abilities so we don't want to miss out on him. However, if we go that route, we need to fortify the QB spot to make sure we have another starter behind him instead of just Backup Bob as so many teams have. To have this consistency, we need to make a QB another first round draft pick (I think) either this year or next. It's a new model to allow for maximum recoverability at the most important position. We need to value fixing the QB position higher than any other position because it's the most important in football. If becoming a great team is slowed by this to make sure we have it right, I'm ok with it.
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I have a pretty simple, yet potent piece of advice when looking at Tua. His upside is unique. If we can keep him healthy, he will be special. However, with this team's emphasis on the draft now and building players, if he were to get hurt, couldn't we bring in another qb to play around a boat-load of talent?
 
meatpardle said:
I’m not doubting that, and like I said the ‘Tua is fragile’ narrative is perfectly reasonable, I just wish people would be honest or make themselves aware of the correct information. Using the amount of surgeries he’s had as evidence of his fragility is misrepresenting the truth.
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Tua is just chase it may work it may not..it just how willing dolphins are with taking chase on Tua being good..
 
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OmegaPhinsFan said:
I have a pretty simple, yet potent piece of advice when looking at Tua. His upside is unique. If we can keep him healthy, he will be special. However, with this team's emphasis on the draft now and building players, if he were to get hurt, couldn't we bring in another qb to play around a boat-load of talent?
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Drafting Tua isn't a decade commitment. If he fails for whatever reason you go to the next talent.

Just because this team stuck with Tannehill to long doesn't mean it is the norm.
 
If we take Tua @5, it won't kill us, even if he busts. If we've traded up for him, the damage multiplies.
In answer to the O.P. No, we don't take a second QB. If Tua busts, then we are back at square one and have to draft another one in 2-3 years anyway.
 
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