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I'm rooting for Rosen to start but....

When you're just the 4th guy in NFL history with consecutive 200 yard games, you're not just a cog in the wheel, you're the entire darn vehicle. He contributed a third 200 yard game later in the year. He had 30 carries the first give games that year.
Look, I was about as big of a fan of Ajayi as you could find. But it was the fact that Gase rammed our advantage in the run blocking game that opened up the way for him to do that. When our OL couldn't open those lanes, we passed a LOT more … and until that OL got chemistry and was comfortable executing the scheme … those games weren't happening. Ajayi is/was talented … but that in no way detracts from the obvious fact that we gelled as a team all across the offense after the first 4 games.
 
Also - that stupid body language comment by Flores in the preseason looks patently absurd now. Fitz looks unemotional, Uninspired, uninspiring, and completely checked out.
 
Fitz wasn't the incumbent. He was named the starter despite being the only QB on the team to bring the offense to a halt in preseason. I don't agree with Miami's logic at all. We've asked the young QB with upside to play perfect football or else ride the bench. We've forgiven a career mistake-prone 36 year old veteran's mistakes while condemning the second year guy for his mistakes.

It does not make sense.
Huh? Of course he was the incumbent. He clearly outplayed Rosen in preseason, and you'd really have to cut and paste only a tiny part of the preseason to think otherwise. So he won week 1. Then he outplayed Rosen in week 1, albeit the sample sizes were small. In Week two--today--you could make the case that they were pretty close, with Fitz having more passes and more INT's. But at all points Fitz was the starter, thus the incumbent. To beat him, you need to outplay him … and from what I've seen, Rosen hasn't done that yet. We're all hoping he will eventually … but it hasn't happened yet.

Like whomever you like, but so far, Rosen has not proven he deserves to be the starter, so Coach Flo is fully justified in continuing to name the veteran Fitz the starter. If Rosen were clearly outplaying Fitz, the players would have a problem with Rosen sitting. They don't have a problem with Rosen sitting, because they know he is not outplaying Fitz.

I'm not telling you who to like … but don't try to convince me that Rosen has outplayed Fitz, because it hasn't happened. I think we're all hoping it does … but it hasn't happened yet.
 
Throw him in there. This team isn't going anywhere this year. It needs to see what it has with Rosen after the investment to get him here.

The fact that Flores started Fitzpatrick over him is criminal and that alone should be enough to fire him after this season.
 
Also - that stupid body language comment by Flores in the preseason looks patently absurd now. Fitz looks unemotional, Uninspired, uninspiring, and completely checked out.

Playing a specific type of music in practice to trigger his WR is also equally as stupid. Players nowadays don't respond to that type of stimuli...Atleast not in the way Flores wants them to.
 
I actually drafted ajayi with my last pick in fantasy without realizing he had another ACL injury, His knees are done he's not even getting consideration from other teams anymore.. Its a shame because if he didn't injure his knees so much he ran like a bulldozer was so much fun to watch, I neve runderstood why gase wanted AJayi gone because a timeshare of Drake/Ajayi looked like a great 1 2 punch ala ricky and ronnie.
 
I'm rooting for Rosen to start but I don't want him to get killed behind this OL.
 
The reason they did not want to start Rosen was to give the O-Line to get used to each other, and actually try to grow with each other, though the Chargers would be a better time to start Rosen, this line is not going to get any better, and the team is not getting any better or learning anything with Fitz starting.

Starting Rosen vs the Cowboys may be the best idea, at least you get a good idea how good he can be against a top team in there home.
 
Sorry, but no, he didn't.
You're definitely in the minority with your opinion. I agreed with the locker room's estimation, the coaching staff's estimation, and the majority of those who saw it from the outside looking in. Yes … I believe he did.
 
I like that the frozen one goes for chunk yards.

In doing so he looks like 10 sacks and 5 interceptions per game in the process.
 
You're definitely in the minority with your opinion. I agreed with the locker room's estimation, the coaching staff's estimation, and the majority of those who saw it from the outside looking in. Yes … I believe he did.

Everyone but the Tank for Tua crowd, who is afraid of Rosen playing well enough that we won't draft him. Corrected.
 
I actually drafted ajayi with my last pick in fantasy without realizing he had another ACL injury, His knees are done he's not even getting consideration from other teams anymore.. Its a shame because if he didn't injure his knees so much he ran like a bulldozer was so much fun to watch, I neve runderstood why gase wanted AJayi gone because a timeshare of Drake/Ajayi looked like a great 1 2 punch ala ricky and ronnie.

I don't think Ajayi was happy with the timeshare idea among other things.
 
Everyone but the Tank for Tua crowd, who is afraid of Rosen playing well enough that we won't draft him. Corrected.
Ummmmm huh? Look, Rosen will get his shot at starting plenty of games this year … not sure why you're so adamant that he's the answer … but I'll bet you he is not the answer. Lots of tape on him now over 2 years … very little of it good. You want to make sure we keep pushing him out there before we can protect him or generate run lanes … and I disagree. But so be it. Neither of us can make that decision. Believe what you want to believe, and good luck to Rosen … I just think putting him out there under the current conditions will ruin his chances to succeed. Not scared of him succeeding … I'm actually hoping he does succeed, I just don't think it is going to happen.
 
....can I just say that I do have reservations about his first start for us being against the Cowboys, who from what I've seen over the last two years have one of the toughest defenses in this league, along with a surprisingly productive offense based on a playmaking ability from Dak that really wasn't present in his first few years, when he was more a steady game manager that rarely made mistakes or big throws. I get the same feeling from the thought of Rosen starting that game as I did from Matt Moore starting against Baltimore a few years ago. The starting QB wasn't getting it done and never deserved the starting job in the first place, but it was setting the other QB up for failure by having him start in terrible circumstances. In Matt's case, we've been manhandled by Baltimore, absolutely filleted and dissected, in almost every recent outing except for a laughable suckfest between Tannehill and Matt Schaub. Moore predictably sucked and we were doomed for Cutler starting.

I've been excited to see Fitz benched the last two weeks, as it was overdue both times, yet my excitement dimmed pretty quickly when I realized the defensive line was just having a track meet to the quarterback every play on obvious passing situations. Rosen deserves a chance to play, but man does it suck to be the guy in there, having to pass the ball once the defense has already gotten into the head of the lineman. Fitz has had a mixed bag in the pocket for sure, but quarters 3/4 behind this line have turned into a free for all for the defense. And perhaps the defense would have been in less of a groove had Fitz not dug us a whole with some bad picks and easily batted passes by lineman in his throwing lane.

I never agreed with the sentiment that you start Rosen after the bye. Given the direction of this team with its obvious rebuilding, it made no sense to start a 36 year old QB unless Rosen showed he wasn't ready to play. In preseason, Rosen showed he was ready to play. He showed he could move the offense. He showed he could elude pass rush (a trait which was disappeared in his garbage time appearences). He showed he could place the ball and make big plays with good downfield vision. What's worse is that most of us here knew the Flores wasn't going to give him a fair shot based on his comments after preseason game 1, where he crticized Rosen for things that a veteran Fitzpatrick has done his entire career. Flores showed in that moment that he had preconceived visions of the two QB's and was going to look for whatever evidence there was to support that narrative. Fitzpatrick, for his part, was terrible in week three, when the announcers basically knew that Fitzpatrick was being given the starting job but were openly questioning it after Fitzpatrick supplied garbage an entire half.

The bottom line is that I think we're in a real pickle right now. Flores made a "safe" pick at QB and that backfired spectacularly. As much as you want to set the stage for a young QB to have success, the only stage that has been set is an absolute travesty. Instead of the stage being set, Rosen is instead placed in the same situation he was in Arizona, where he is inserted into a lineup that has been unspeakably bad (AZ fired their OC not long into last season). For fear of putting a young QB in at the wrong time, we've created a situation where the right time might not exist anymore. The right time was to let Josh build off solid play in the preseason, where the o-line play sucked pretty bad but we did a good job as a whole, but that time has passed and we can't go back. It just seems entire futile and senseless to waste any more time with Fitzpatrick starting and delay the only thing that makes sense, even if its a hard landing spot.

At the same time, what are we protecting him for? You don't want to ruin Rosen, but isn't it more laughable to protect a guy when every game you fail to start him gives him one less chance to prove his worth and develop himself? There's only 14 left (assuming health, lol) before we can potentially draft a QB highly and we need to know what we have.

I won't feel good about this week's QB decision no matter what it is. Fitzpatrick is wasted time and ineffective to boot, but Rosen is going to have an impossible task. We'll see.
I'm not sure anything has backfired spectacularly by sitting Rosen for these first two games. These are two of the better D's in the league, and certainly throw more exotic looks than the Cowboys do. If anything, they've allowed Rosen to continue learning the O while getting a few more reps and trying to build stability in front of him. Can you imagine the haters if Rosen was the guy leading the team to those losses?

They'd HAVE to draft a QB. His confidence would certainly be a mess and there's a good chance he'd be injured and or benched.

Now that expectations are so low it's going to take quite a bit to unseat him once he gets in there, and the staff will have a better chance to evaluate him. I think there's a decent chance he starts against the Cowboys, but i'm really not concerned until the O-line shows some semblance of pass protection.
 
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