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IMO We should focus on Defense in the draft.

Travis34 said:
1. "Back in the day" this is 2014

2. Unproven at the pro level bro, what you do in college does not guarantee nfl success. You're delusional if you think college receivers are better than our group. I mean if you took all of the best ones, Watkins, Evans, Benjamin, etc.. sure maybe but ... what dude? And you're bringing up 2 years ago when we had no Wallace, Gibson, and Matthews was a rookie.
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So two years ago didn't exist? You might have some trouble convincing Tannehill of that. I'm sure he remembers quite vividly having to throw to a group of receivers who never got separation and never got open deep.

The fact is that every season there are receivers who leave college and immediately start in the NFL. On rare occasions more than one of them come from the same college team. Wide receiver, probably more than any other position, is the one place where raw athletic talent can overcome the advantages of experience.
 
If it were me drafting I would go Mosley and Borland. I love Defense and if you have a top 3 your going deep in the playoffs... Were so close ....
 
Atila said:
Based purely on last season, our defense was very good,
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:lol: Our defense was 21st in the league, 24th in rushing. If that is considered "very good", I guess our 27th rated offense was "jus fine".
 
Who we draft (particularly at 19) will obviously depend on who is available or if we target one particular player and trade up or down. With that being said, while RT is obviously a huge hole right now, our offense will grow by leaps and bounds if Tannehill simply progresses the way that he should, and if we're in a place in the draft where a defensive and offensive player of equal quality in the eyes of Dennis Hickey fall into our lap I would go with the defensive guy. We would have beat the Panthers and made the playoffs if we had a better secondary or pass rush last year.... Also, there's no excuse to give up ANY points to Thad Lewis.
Not saying we're set offensively, I just think we have more holes on D.
 
We need online and some pieces on D. But we need to protect RT. Definitely need to get some depth on D.
 
z926538 said:
So two years ago didn't exist? You might have some trouble convincing Tannehill of that. I'm sure he remembers quite vividly having to throw to a group of receivers who never got separation and never got open deep.

The fact is that every season there are receivers who leave college and immediately start in the NFL. On rare occasions more than one of them come from the same college team. Wide receiver, probably more than any other position, is the one place where raw athletic talent can overcome the advantages of experience.
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You originally said FSU had better receivers than us, which doesn't mean better than the wr corps 2 years ago. We are talking about now. I don't even know if you think before posting. Of course when Hartline and Bess were our top receivers we needed immense help. We added players, some developed. It's not a huge need right now with all of our other holes.

@the next paragraph.. I just don't know what to say anymore, yes some players step in and produce right away but typically the college to pro conversion isn't always smooth right off the bat. You're really overrating college talent.

No doubt we could use more playmakers but now is not the time to spend high or many draft picks on a deep unit already
 
Travis34 said:
You originally said FSU had better receivers than us, which doesn't mean better than the wr corps 2 years ago. We are talking about now. I don't even know if you think before posting. Of course when Hartline and Bess were our top receivers we needed immense help. We added players, some developed. It's not a huge need right now with all of our other holes.

@the next paragraph.. I just don't know what to say anymore, yes some players step in and produce right away but typically the college to pro conversion isn't always smooth right off the bat. You're really overrating college talent.

No doubt we could use more playmakers but now is not the time to spend high or many draft picks on a deep unit already
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Right. We already have about 18 million dollars per year wrapped up in our top 3 receivers. Are they the best unit in the NFL? No, but it is a deep and very talented corps of receivers. WR was the least of our problems last year, especially when Gibson was healthy. Tannehill not hitting Wallace deep was a much bigger issue than anything the WRs were doing wrong.
 
z926538 said:
Back in the day, and I'm talking way back in the day, the pre-season would start with a team of Rookie All-Star College graduates playing an exhibition against the previous year's NFL Champions. I don't remember the year, but there was a year when the Rookies beat the NFL Champions.

"A Team of Unproven College Kids"? FSU was the National Collegiate Champions and their QB won the Heisman. Their receivers weren't four guys randomly picked up from intramural frats. They were an excellent team of talented college receivers. And the Dolphins receiving corp two years ago was so bad that it is not out of the realm of possibility that you could envision an almost even comparison against certain of the better college teams.
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Come on man, that was back before the NFL took off. The best coaches were in college back then because that is where all the money was. The NFL was an after thought. If you were a good athlete you played baseball. If a group of all star college players played the NFL champion today it would be 55-0 by halftime. The pro game today is so much more mature both mentally and physically that a group of college kids would be in over their heads.
 
insomnia411 said:
The way I see this roster, if Tannehill progresses the way he should (and we are obviously not changing QB anytime soon) we should be pretty set on offense. Obviously we aren't perfect on the o line or at RB, but you can't have studs at every position and finding a quality back in the later rounds of the draft seems to be easier to do these days. IMO, our major holes are on defense and we need to face the cream of the crop of QBs this season.
Our linebackers are all average at best, the #2 corner position is a huge question mark as no one knows if Finnegan can return to his old form, our safeties look pretty good on paper but Reshad Jones was less than stellar last year and Delmas has big injury issues, and finally we're pretty good on the D line but Wake seems to be more injury prone these days and who the hell knows what Dion Jordan will become.
Just my opinion, but if I was Dennis Hickey, I'd be looking very hard at a Dee Ford type of guy, or maybe even one of the top corners at #19, even though the popular belief is that we'll be taking a RT.
Just my humble opinion. Thoughts?
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Didn't we just draft two high rd CBs last year?? It takes a bit to see how they are going to pan out especially with Taylor injured all of camp last year. DL is still one of the strong points of the team, even after losing big Paul. Our LBs are a mess and all 3 need to be upgraded or coached up different, but we do need at least two drafted LBs but the OL needs 3 starters as of today. Hopefully we bring in a few more vets to help the OL but we have to draft at least one early. As for me I draft BPA in the first. We need talent every where. Maybe not DL, QB or RB but BPA at any other position. I think we are ok at WR too but if some miracle happened and Sammy Watkins fell to us, there is no way you could pass on that. I would even consider Ebron at TE. But offense or defense isn't the real issue, we need the best player possible, or trade down and get the best TWO players possible.
 
Travis34 said:
No doubt we could use more playmakers but now is not the time to spend high or many draft picks on a deep unit already
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Finally we agree. We need to be drafting offensive linemen. We need a tight end who can bust open the seam. We don't need to be spending more money on defense. We need to find a way to get the offense to 30 points a game.
 
z926538 said:
Finally we agree. We need to be drafting offensive linemen. We need a tight end who can bust open the seam. We don't need to be spending more money on defense. We need to find a way to get the offense to 30 points a game.
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I wouldn't hold my breath on 30 points or more per game
Set the bar at 20 pts or with luck maybe 25 pts per game

In the past 5 years teams have averaged 30 points a game or more 7 times
New England 2 times
New Orleans 2 times
Denver 2 times
Green Bay 1 time
All have future Hall Of Fame QBs...
 
Wallace17Miami said:
I think we need to start looking at quarterbacks as well. Ryan is not showing signs of progressing to a franchise quarterback
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He put up Matt Ryan type numbers in year 2.

Despite the oline, Tannehill led his team to 4 more wins. Ryan had a HOF TE, all world WR in Jones and former PB .
RB.

You haters need a new schtick.
 
Build your team from the inside out. Oline or TE in the first.
 
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