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Interesting Tannehill Stat Comparison

hooshoops said:
eagles surprises me...
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Cooper, McCoy and jackson are all doing, obviously, well in YAC. I can't find broken tackles which I guarantee we would be low in as well. Where the Broncos would most likely tops.

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shouright said:
Tannehill has gotten 57.7% of his passing yards through the air this year, which isn't significantly different from the league average.

Here's more on the concept, pertaining to last year:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...r-yards-vs-yards-after-catch-1992-2012/23605/
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To my point, if he's throwing it in the air as far as everyone else then the thing bringing the YPA down is YAC.
 
rent this space said:
I don't have a problem with the stat itself, just when people try to assign it to only one player.
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Canadi-Phin said:
I couldn't agree more. YPA is more of a team stat then a QB stat. Everything belongs to it, blocking, the pass, the catch and the running afterwards. YPA is or should be a stat that is the offenses (team) stat.
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And that would make sense if it wasn't independent of team variables, while being strongly correlated with the consensus perceptions of QBs' individual ability.
 
shouright said:
And that would make sense if it wasn't independent of team variables, while being strongly correlated with the consensus perceptions of QBs' individual ability.
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The team variables play just as much into YPA if not more then YAC. Getting one extra yard of YAC would be huge for any team. It would put Miami at 11th in the league but also how many more first downs would that get us? The problem is using YPA to judge a QB when it is the offense which truly should be judged by the stat. YAC has team variables but at the end of the day if Clavin Johnson can break a tackle and get another 5 yards opposed to Hartline then its on the receiver/TE/RB alone to be judged on YAC. I do agree YAC is team dependent but so is YPA.
 
Canadi-Phin said:
To my point, if he's throwing it in the air as far as everyone else then the thing bringing the YPA down is YAC.
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Problem is, the correlation between YPA and the percentage of passing yards gained through the air, across the league, is -0.03, which is meaningless. The two variables are not related, which means YAC is also not related to YPA.
 
shouright said:
Problem is, the correlation between YPA and the percentage of passing yards gained through the air, across the league, is -0.03, which is meaningless. The two variables are not related, which means YAC is also not related to YPA.
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How can you say they are not related? Look at the top teams YPA.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt

Now look again at the top team in YAC
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-yards-after-catch-statistics/2013/

If everyone is passing for close to the same amount threw the air then YAC is the only way you have higher YPA.

Look at the top five YAC team and top 5 YPA. 4 of the five are the same. YAC has a huge impact on YPA more than anything else.
 
shouright said:
Now we're into another variable -- sacks -- and how to determine the relative responsibility for those, as well.
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I think your missing my point. YPA is a team stat not a QB stat. It is why it has such a strong correlation to winning. If the team does everything correctly YPA will be higher. But one of the biggest indicators of a high YPA will be a high YAC, guys who make people miss and break tackles. The receiver is 70% or more responsible for YAC. Once the ball is in their hands its up to them most times to make the first guy miss. They don't need to get 30 yards but one more yard each catch and you will instantly see an increase in first downs and wins.
 
Canadi-Phin said:
How can you say they are not related? Look at the top teams YPA.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt

Now look again at the top team in YAC
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-yards-after-catch-statistics/2013/
If everyone is passing for close to the same amount threw the air then YAC is the only way you have higher YPA.

Look at the top five YAC team and top 5 YPA. 4 of the five are the same. YAC has a huge impact on YPA more than anything else.
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I'll do the correlation for the full league when I have time. :up:
 
Shouright,

What's your opinion of why Tannehill has a low YPA, in terms of QB ability? I'm genuinely curious what you think is causing this, not calling you out or anything.
 
sampera said:
Shouright,

What's your opinion of why Tannehill has a low YPA, in terms of QB ability? I'm genuinely curious what you think is causing this, not calling you out or anything.
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Missed opportunities.
 
Anyone who knocks YPA should have a parody theme song playing in the background every time they post. There won't be a substitute stat, not next season or any season. It is a defining measure.

Frankly you guys look very foolish with all the happy adjustments while desperately trying to deflect from the most long term proven vital categories.

BTW, are we a remarkable team with our 7-6 record? Lots of chirping around here given 7-6, which wouldn't be worth a sniff in the NFC. If our quarterback were playing at a high level, there wouldn't be happy adjustments or deflection or 6 defeats. We earned those defeats by scoring so few points, particularly when it mattered down the stretch.
 
ConvenientTruth said:
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I can't stop lol'ing. great response.

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Awsi Dooger said:
Anyone who knocks YPA should have a parody theme song playing in the background every time they post. There won't be a substitute stat, not next season or any season. It is a defining measure.

Frankly you guys look very foolish with all the happy adjustments while desperately trying to deflect from the most long term proven vital categories.

BTW, are we a remarkable team with our 7-6 record? Lots of chirping around here given 7-6, which wouldn't be worth a sniff in the NFC. If our quarterback were playing at a high level, there wouldn't be happy adjustments or deflection or 6 defeats. We earned those defeats by scoring so few points, particularly when it mattered down the stretch.
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it's literally like we have Ray one and Ray two here.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
BTW, are we a remarkable team with our 7-6 record? Lots of chirping around here given 7-6, which wouldn't be worth a sniff in the NFC. If our quarterback were playing at a high level, there wouldn't be happy adjustments or deflection or 6 defeats. We earned those defeats by scoring so few points, particularly when it mattered down the stretch.
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We would be in first place in the NFC north and a game out of first place in the NFC east, no need for happy adjustments or deflections. We are scoring more and earning victories in the most important stretch of the season, which is now.
 
Canadi-Phin said:
How can you say they are not related? Look at the top teams YPA.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt

Now look again at the top team in YAC
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-yards-after-catch-statistics/2013/

If everyone is passing for close to the same amount threw the air then YAC is the only way you have higher YPA.

Look at the top five YAC team and top 5 YPA. 4 of the five are the same. YAC has a huge impact on YPA more than anything else.
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shouright said:
I'll do the correlation for the full league when I have time. :up:
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Moderately strong correlation there. 0.51. The variables are largely independent.
 
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