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Interesting Tannehill Stat Comparison

Awsi Dooger said:
Anyone who knocks YPA should have a parody theme song playing in the background every time they post. There won't be a substitute stat, not next season or any season. It is a defining measure.

Frankly you guys look very foolish with all the happy adjustments while desperately trying to deflect from the most long term proven vital categories.

BTW, are we a remarkable team with our 7-6 record? Lots of chirping around here given 7-6, which wouldn't be worth a sniff in the NFC. If our quarterback were playing at a high level, there wouldn't be happy adjustments or deflection or 6 defeats. We earned those defeats by scoring so few points, particularly when it mattered down the stretch.
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Hence Tannehill's low WPA, though it has improved lately.
 
shouright said:
The determination that the blocking is worse based on sacks alone is too simplistic in my opinion. The blocking may in fact be worse, but it needs to be determined via a more sophisticated analysis.

Also, Tannehill's performance game-to-game this year is uncorrelated with the team's running game variables, so the contextual conclusion made above isn't warranted based on the data there alone in my opinion.

The concerning thing in the data, on the other hand, is that it could be that the difference in Tannehill's QB rating this year is largely a product of his having thrown touchdown passes that were instead touchdown runs last year. That could reflect a difference in play-calling in the red zone, it could simply be a random occurrence, or it could reflect an improvement in his ability. We can't know that for certain.

Although his touchdown passes are obviously not a bad thing in themselves, I'd prefer that an increase in his QB rating be attributable to an increase in his YPA, rather than to a "substitution" of touchdowns from runs to passes. I'd rather see him marching the team down the field efficiently with a stellar YPA, which would likely lead to an increase in both touchdown runs and passes.

His YPA needs to improve. Over the last six games it's 6.9, so hopefully he's getting there.
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Here's my sophisticated analysis : I haven't missed a single snap of Dolphins football in the last 2 years, and the blocking is worse this year... As is the running game.
Tannehill has improved vastly since last year, with a 2012 version of Tannehill on this roster we may have 5 wins instead of 7. I had big questions about the kid at first and he definitely still needs to make big improvements, but I'm excited about his future.
 
I would really like to hear how an efficient/successful passing game is independent of the team...
 
insomnia411 said:
Here's my sophisticated analysis : I haven't missed a single snap of Dolphins football in the last 2 years, and the blocking is worse this year... As is the running game.
Tannehill has improved vastly since last year, with a 2012 version of Tannehill on this roster we may have 5 wins instead of 7. I had big questions about the kid at first and he definitely still needs to make big improvements, but I'm excited about his future.
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If that sort of thing was suitable for determining the truth about the team, we wouldn't have the large scale disagreement we see so often here, among a group of people who have presumably missed none of the games as well, as indicated by their membership on a message board devoted to discussing the team. :)
 
shouright said:
Moderately strong correlation there. 0.51. The variables are largely independent.
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Now why would someone say that two variables with a moderately strong correlation are largely independent...... :ponder:

Perhaps because they don't fit his agenda...

"How close is close enough to –1 or +1 to indicate a strong enough linear relationship? Most statisticians like to see correlations beyond at least +0.5 or –0.5 before getting too excited about them. "

Last time I checked, 0.51 was greater than 0.5
 
rent this space said:
I would really like to hear how an efficient/successful passing game is independent of the team...
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It can at the same time affect the team, while being driven primarily by the ability of one individual player, the quarterback.
 
shouright said:
It can at the same time affect the team, while being driven primarily by the ability of one individual player, the quarterback.
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the ability of the QB is only part of the story. fact is you need several players working together to make it successful, i.e. a team...
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Now why would someone say that two variables with a moderately strong correlation are largely independent...... :ponder:

Perhaps because they don't fit his agenda...

"How close is close enough to –1 or +1 to indicate a strong enough linear relationship? Most statisticians like to see correlations beyond at least +0.5 or –0.5 before getting too excited about them. "

Last time I checked, 0.51 was greater than 0.5
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Well let's put it this way: 74% of the variation in YPA isn't explained by the average YAC of the receiving corps. Like I said, the variables are largely independent.
 
rent this space said:
the ability of the QB is only part of the story. fact is you need several players working together to make it successful, i.e. a team...
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Well of course the quarterback isn't going to go out there alone and win, but it could be the case that the ability of the quarterback is far more important than the ability of the rest of the team as a whole, provided that they're of course at least NFL caliber.
 
shouright said:
Well of course the quarterback isn't going to go out there alone and win, but it could be the case that the ability of the quarterback is far more important than the ability of the rest of the team as a whole, provided that they're of course at least NFL caliber.
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the QB might be slightly more important but all the ability in world doesn't help if the line doesn't block and the receivers aren't open
 
shouright said:
Well let's put it this way: 74% of the variation in YPA isn't explained by the average YAC of the receiving corps. Like I said, the variables are largely independent.
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Or they are moderately strongly correlated..... spin much?
 
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