It was the un-coachable Dolphins Defense not Fangio..........

[gofins60]

Up by 14 with like 5 minutes is not lucky to have the lead. Yes the lead should have been more because early we got too cute on offense. I don't care what the offense does, if a team is up by 14 with 5 minutes....it is a defensive collapse if that team loses the game.

I do agree that the defense giving up those two late TDs was bad. But, the offense had two final possessions needing only a FG to win and couldn't get it done. So, I blame Fangio's defense AND McDaniel's offense equally.

However, because Fangio went to Philly where they had a better GM and players and won a SB by completely dominating KC, it appears that the problem in Miami may not have been Fangio, but was the roster built by Grier. And, to be honest, I hate saying that because while he was here, I always posted that I didn't care for Fangio and his defense. I felt that way because IMO that Amoeba Cover Zero defense under Flores was far more exciting to watch than Fangio's boring defense.

Hmmm... I just thought of something. When Philly's defense dominated KC, was it because of Fangio's schemes, or was it that the players were so talented that they made Fangio look good, or a little bit of both? I truly have no idea. All I know is that I want Ross to clean house so that hopefully, Miami can build a team like that.

 

[MrClean]

You know that’s not what I was doing. His lack of coaching ability is plain for all to see, regardless of his attire.

But I know, he is an historically good teacher…or something.

Now, that's just plain silly. The team has its best W-L record since Wannestedt. The last three seasons, the offense has ranked 18th, 1st, and 6th. The side of the ball which is his area of expertise. Declaring he lacks the ability to coach is not founded in reality. What about the defense, ya say? They ranked 4th, 10th, and 18th. Switching coordinators every year prior to this.

 

[MrClean]

The defense carried Tua in his only healthy season out of the last seven. Instead of blaming failure in those trully responsible ( tua, mcdaniels, ross ) stupid homers and tua lovers blamed the only good thing about that year: Fangio

The offense ranked 1st in the league in 2023, while Tua played all 17 games. To say the defense carried them is utter nonsense.

 

[MrClean]

That’s because he’s really good. No bueno here baby.

Weaver, even as a neophyte DC, produced better results than Fangio. The 2024 defense ranked 10 in points and 4th in yards.

 

[Etuoo33]

Everyone keeps saying that, but the offense contributed more to that loss than the defense. I just watched the end of that game, beginning with when they were tied 13-13. Much is said about how Miami was up by 14 and lost, but those two TDs were a gift given to the offense. The first TD came when the special teams recovered a muffed punt and gave the offense the ball near the goal line. The second TD came after the defense recovered a fumble and gave the offense good field position. IOW, if not for the defense and special teams, Miami probably would never have been up by 14.

Yes, the defense gave up two TDs late to lose the game. But, after that first TD, Miami's so-called "great" offense went 3 and out and gave the ball right back to the Titans, who scored another TD. Miami then had one more chance to get into FG range, and Sanders could hit 50+ yard FGs. But, the offense got one first down, and then turned the ball over on downs, and that was the game.
This soft team though they could make club reservations after getting up early by 2 scores, all the papers said the Titans we no match
IMO, yes, the defense gave up two late TDS, but the offense crapped the bed too and were lucky to have had the lead at all. IOW, it was just another example of a team built by Grier and run by McDaniel choking when something important was on the line.

This soft team thought they had this one in the bag, up by 2 scores early. All the publications said that the Titans were no match so they are thinking about making reservations for the club after the game and the playoff seeding and just mailed it in. Then got whipped.

 

[Etuoo33]

Now, that's just plain silly. The team has its best W-L record since Wannestedt. The last three seasons, the offense has ranked 18th, 1st, and 6th. The side of the ball which is his area of expertise. Declaring he lacks the ability to coach is not founded in reality. What about the defense, ya say? They ranked 4th, 10th, and 18th. Switching coordinators every year prior to this.

What is their December record? Once you factor that in, those games are the money games, and see how miserably we've been late in the year you get a better idea of the team's true record. December not September. Yes, I know they all count, but there's win or go home games late in the year. That record is more heavily weighted.

 

[ForksPhin]

Everyone keeps saying that, but the offense contributed more to that loss than the defense. I just watched the end of that game, beginning with when they were tied 13-13. Much is said about how Miami was up by 14 and lost, but those two TDs were a gift given to the offense. The first TD came when the special teams recovered a muffed punt and gave the offense the ball near the goal line. The second TD came after the defense recovered a fumble and gave the offense good field position. IOW, if not for the defense and special teams, Miami probably would never have been up by 14.

Yes, the defense gave up two TDs late to lose the game. But, after that first TD, Miami's so-called "great" offense went 3 and out and gave the ball right back to the Titans, who scored another TD. Miami then had one more chance to get into FG range, and Sanders could hit 50+ yard FGs. But, the offense got one first down, and then turned the ball over on downs, and that was the game.

IMO, yes, the defense gave up two late TDS, but the offense crapped the bed too and were lucky to have had the lead at all. IOW, it was just another example of a team built by Grier and run by McDaniel choking when something important was on the line.

I believe, IIRC, the offense was dealing with Tyreek being injured and barely in the game. And they were also dealing with the loss of Connor Williams early in the game. Not making excuses, but those were two massive injuries given the way the 2023 offense worked.

 

[danmarino7051]

What is their December record? Once you factor that in, those games are the money games, and see how miserably we've been late in the year you get a better idea of the team's true record. December not September. Yes, I know they all count, but there's win or go home games late in the year. That record is more heavily weighted.

The NFL season is short. Every game is a “money game”. If a team goes 0-10 then the December games won’t matter. If a team goes 13-0, those 4 December games won’t matter much.

 

[ForksPhin]

Now, that's just plain silly. The team has its best W-L record since Wannestedt. The last three seasons, the offense has ranked 18th, 1st, and 6th. The side of the ball which is his area of expertise. Declaring he lacks the ability to coach is not founded in reality. What about the defense, ya say? They ranked 4th, 10th, and 18th. Switching coordinators every year prior to this.

So, your point of view is that McDaniel turns this roster into one that finishes seasons with these “fantastic” rankings? We overlook his obvious flaws and we give him credit based on season rankings?

I’m not excited by the W-L record he has compiled because he took over a team that went 19-14 over the two seasons prior to his arrival. And then added star-level talent like Tyreek Hill, Jalen Ramsey, Bradley Chubb, etc.

So, sure, if you want to say it is “silly” to question McDaniel’s coaching skills, that’s cool. I’ll just respond that I think it’s silly to act as if he’s done something any number of coaches couldn’t have done given the same roster.

 

[Etuoo33]

The NFL season is short. Every game is a “money game”. If a team goes 0-10 then the December games won’t matter. If a team goes 13-0, those 4 December games won’t matter much.

Of course they all count. This team has not started 0-10 in awhile though. We have had a few decent starts lately. The December games only count if you win enough games early but they have for this team, weak argument but not unexpected.

 

[danmarino7051]

But they have for this team, weak argument.

Last year both the Dolphins and Bills lost 2 games in December. Both KC and the Ravens lost 1 game in Dec. Cherry picking months isn’t going to give a clear picture of anything.

 

[Etuoo33]

Somehow I knew. Anyway if you look at the last 3 December records for the Phins it it indicates a slumping team not one ramping up for the playoffs. There I hung another curve ball for ya, take a swing... LOL

 

[67Stang]

I do agree that the defense giving up those two late TDs was bad. But, the offense had two final possessions needing only a FG to win and couldn't get it done. So, I blame Fangio's defense AND McDaniel's offense equally.

However, because Fangio went to Philly where they had a better GM and players and won a SB by completely dominating KC, it appears that the problem in Miami may not have been Fangio, but was the roster built by Grier. And, to be honest, I hate saying that because while he was here, I always posted that I didn't care for Fangio and his defense. I felt that way because IMO that Amoeba Cover Zero defense under Flores was far more exciting to watch than Fangio's boring defense.

Hmmm... I just thought of something. When Philly's defense dominated KC, was it because of Fangio's schemes, or was it that the players were so talented that they made Fangio look good, or a little bit of both? I truly have no idea. All I know is that I want Ross to clean house so that hopefully, Miami can build a team like that.

I think it was a combo of both. I think Fangio is one of the best ever and he had the players in Philly to do it. However, he did not adjust here to the players we had and tried the old square peg/round hole mentality. If he would have been somewhat flexible, I do think we would have been a better overall team. That is definitely not to blame everything on him, McDaniel and plenty of other issues. Our biggest issue that year at the end was injuries. While I don't think we were a Super Bowl team, I do think we were right there and anything could have happened if we would have stayed healthy.

However THAT game against the Titans is on him 90%. 5 minutes to go you should be able to even run the ball 3 times and punt a couple of possessions and still win. You say all we needed was a field goal and I say all we had to do is not blow a 14 point lead with 5 minutes to go. Just MHO.

 

[GatorFin73]

Just my opinion, but along with a lot of things that needed to be handled (HC cuddling players...A bunch of players on D w/ attitudes...Wrong type of players for what Fangio wanted to do...), Fangio did not want to be in Miami, and his heart was not in it.

There was a reason there was conflict with coaches, as well with players, Fangio took it, to give it a shot, but hjs heart was in Philly, and all he was thinking about was hopefully get a shot in Philly.

Everyone keeps saying that, but the offense contributed more to that loss than the defense. I just watched the end of that game, beginning with when they were tied 13-13. Much is said about how Miami was up by 14 and lost, but those two TDs were a gift given to the offense. The first TD came when the special teams recovered a muffed punt and gave the offense the ball near the goal line. The second TD came after the defense recovered a fumble and gave the offense good field position. IOW, if not for the defense and special teams, Miami probably would never have been up by 14.

Yes, the defense gave up two TDs late to lose the game. But, after that first TD, Miami's so-called "great" offense went 3 and out and gave the ball right back to the Titans, who scored another TD. Miami then had one more chance to get into FG range, and Sanders could hit 50+ yard FGs. But, the offense got one first down, and then turned the ball over on downs, and that was the game.

IMO, yes, the defense gave up two late TDS, but the offense crapped the bed too and were lucky to have had the lead at all. IOW, it was just another example of a team built by Grier and run by McDaniel choking when something important was on the line.

This is true. The O doesn’t get a pass because of the last couple minutes of pitiful D when most of our points were not provided by the O. It takes a team to be that bad and blow the division at home on Monday night against a bad team with a rookie QB.

 

[GatorFin73]

Weaver, even as a neophyte DC, produced better results than Fangio. The 2024 defense ranked 10 in points and 4th in yards.

You leave out our easiest league schedule. Nevertheless, let Weaver know he has been promoted to best DC in the league status for our dominating defensive performance this past season. Fangio will have to wallow in despair at his own results. From a beach with the Lombardi somewhere but oh he will wallow.