Jason Cole: Dolphins concerned about Tannehill | Page 12 | FinHeaven - Miami Dolphins Forums

Jason Cole: Dolphins concerned about Tannehill

I for one never understood why the Dolphins brought the same combo from Texas A&M in their head coach Sherman and QB in Ryann T whom could not win in the college level and expect them to win at the NFL level. Logically one or both are subpar guys in the ability to produce a winning product. Its for that reason I am glad Sherman is gone this year and we will now see the true Ryan T. is he the guy that was being held back by Sherman or is he the guy the Sherman was covering up for. We are going to see, IMO Ryan T. appears to be the best QB product we have had through here since Dan Marino but we have also had a lot of subpar QB's in that period of time so it is fairly easy to look good as a phins QB. Hey the OL, LB and now running backs are looking a bit stronger than I expected at the beginning of the season so there is some hope that things are coming together in phinland these days,
 
There's nothing wrong with doubting, but I get the feeling that some posters are more concerned with bieng right, or bieng able to say "I told you so" than anything else, not that they'd ever admit it. .

And it's only the naysayers that you're applying that logic to right? Some of the guys pumping Tannehill can't possibly have a self-rewarded agenda.
 
Pats have Brady and two backups. They don't have the 3 "best" QBs in the division. The Jets have Vick, better than Garoppolo simply based on experience. Oh, and Mallet? Do people even read about other teams or do they just assume that the Pats are the best talent evaluators ever? Mallet is on the brink of being cut by NE because he hasn't shown anything since his rookie year. The Pats have one thing that 3 other teams in the league have (DEN, GB, NO)...near perfect QB play that makes average or above average players better than they really are. Many of the players who play on these teams go on to have average careers once they leave their teams. New England has had one amazing pickup in Brady and they are seeing if they can mold another one of him.

The team should have a healthy concern with Tannehill. There's a very good chance a lot of people within the organization lose their jobs if Tannehill doesn't pan out. I'd be a little concerned too. Tannehill made some ****ty plays against last year's 27th ranked scoring defense; not the worst defense in the league, unless you're referring to yardage, then in that case, Tannehill put up solid numbers yards-wise against last year's worst defense in terms of yardage. Or if you're referring to Turnovers then Dallas was 13th in takeaways and were 8th in Turnover differential, which seemed about right with the 2 turnovers to none ratio we had. It happens. Tannehill acknowledges it. He, probably more than anyone on this entire planet, is concerned as well, considering this is his ****ing job and if he doesn't improve he will be a perpetual backup.

The game plan was geared towards the run. Now it's getting everything moving in the same direction. Step off the ledge until week 6 of the regular season. Not enough sample size with something like 8 possessions this preseason to judge the team by. Brady threw a pick 6, Manning threw a pick where he was completely off his read, Alex Smith threw 2 picks in a game, Foles threw 3 INTs this preseason, RGIII has been pure ****, and Luck threw a boneheaded pick. **** happens, players adjust. The main difference with Tannehill on the guys I mentioned are that the others have scored some TDs this preseason. Tannehill had a rough time, but also drove the team downfield with some great plays and numerous 3rd down pickups, even one where Simms unfortunately fumbled it and another where Satele picked up a block in the back. He still needs a lot of work, but it's not all doom and gloom. He needs to figure out how to punch in TD's more consistently when the opportunity is there and to hit Wallace with a perfect deep ball when Wallace breaks off his man and is open. He hasn't figured that out yet, but there's no telling that he won't be able to do that come real game time and when the play calling is geared towards pushing the ball in by any means necessary. Obviously I want to see us put up at least 2 TDs with our first squad last game, but it didn't happen and that won't change. However, the season hasn't even started yet.

It's easy to say, "he hasn't yet so he won't," just as it is easy to say that "just because he hasn't yet doesn't mean he can't." We will all just have to wait and see as the season progresses.
 
I'm worried about Tannehill too. He has a history of choking and playing bad at key times, plus it seems that things snowball on him and bad begets worse, like vs Buffalo & NY down the stretch. He did however put us in that great 8-6 position with 2 great games vs Pittsburgh & NE. So, it's a mixed bag. He isn't superman and is affected by things like horrible offensive-line play and WRs failing and getting hurt (Hartline in back-back weeks to end the season).
But, if Tannehill needs perfect conditions around him to succeed, then he isn't 'the guy'. Doesn't mean he can't win a Superbowl though. How many Super Bowl teams are 'led' by their QB? Did Russell Wilson 'lead' the Seahawks last year? Hell No. Did John Elway 'lead' his team to the 2 Superbowls he won? Not really. That team could run it down the opponent's throat. Did he need to make some plays? Yeah, but he didn't have to be superhuman like Marino was in the years when he had teams get close.
Tannehill needs help, and might need more help than a player like Aaron Rogers or Drew Brees. You let Tannehill captain the Denver Broncos team from last year and they'd wind up in the Super Bowl again too.
Tannehill won 8 games with a cruddy running game and no true #1 WR like a Demaryus Thomas.
Does Tannehill still need work on feeling real pressure vs 'ghost' pressure? Yeah. Is that something he can improve or is it an innate quality he lacks? I dunno. That's what we're gonna learn. He stopped fumbling after a few games after dropping it like it's hot in September. He can make adjustments.
I'm just saying, that even if he doesn't have 'it' doesn't mean he can't make enough plays to win us ballgames. He made a good enough play to beat Baltimore last year but his WR fell down for no good reason on a perfectly thrown ball instead of running with it for a TD or at least far enough for FG range. He made a good enough throw to hit both Wallace's hands vs Carolina in the closing seconds.
 
Looks like the "I told you so" brigade is already here and high-fiving each other...
I am one of those, although I am not very proud in the case of Tannehill. I really was hoping this franchise may have found it's QB finally. However, if I see him overthrow Mike Wallace one more time I will be convinced he is nothing more than another Jay Fiedler. I am not going to say Moore is a better Quarterback than Tannehill, but he is a better fit for this offense. There is no debate. He puts TDs on the board while Tannehill puts up FGs and overthrows Wallace. I ask all of you; what happens if the Dolphins lose 3 of their first 4 games, averaging 19 pts and Tannehill continues to overthrow Wallace? Is Philbin and his staff going to sit idly by with their jobs on the line? would you?
 
And it's only the naysayers that you're applying that logic to right? Some of the guys pumping Tannehill can't possibly have a self-rewarded agenda.

The people defending Tannehill want to see him succeed on our team...the I told u so would just be an added bonus. Nice try tho buddy.
 
I am one of those, although I am not very proud in the case of Tannehill. I really was hoping this franchise may have found it's QB finally. However, if I see him overthrow Mike Wallace one more time I will be convinced he is nothing more than another Jay Fiedler. I am not going to say Moore is a better Quarterback than Tannehill, but he is a better fit for this offense. There is no debate. He puts TDs on the board while Tannehill puts up FGs and overthrows Wallace. I ask all of you; what happens if the Dolphins lose 3 of their first 4 games, averaging 19 pts and Tannehill continues to overthrow Wallace? Is Philbin and his staff going to sit idly by with their jobs on the line? would you?

Oh yea Matt Moore's pick six against backups was great...you can nitpick Tannehill but not moore? Oh I get it you're one of these guys who thinks the deep pass is the only play in football....
 
And it's only the naysayers that you're applying that logic to right? Some of the guys pumping Tannehill can't possibly have a self-rewarded agenda.

It's just an opinion, and I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions. I don't like speaking in generalities but I believe that most "pumping Tannehill" are doing so out of loyalty to the Dolphins. If the Fins cut him tomorrow, the next man up would become the greatest thing ever. This is fact we've unfortunately seen time and time again. I'm not saying they're right, I'm just saying that agenda is a little more clear and understandable to me.
 
Tannehill is still developing. Is he an elite QB? I don't think so. Is he capable of winning 12 games and putting up 4500 yards 30/15 TD? I believe so.
He has shown in some games that he can be very effective and for the most part he is careful with the ball.
The issue with the deep ball? I think it is on RT. He just doesn't have it. He is an intermediate passer. I do not blame Wallace for some of those missed TD's
Marino would have found Wallace repeatedly no question in my mind. RT doesn't release quickly enough, or put the right trajectory on certain throws. Maybe Marino can help him.
I think RT will be our QB for 5 years. By then the team will be deep enough to allow another reach for a true elite franchise QB.
Until then we can hope the team will improve enough (dominant running and defense) and we get a few lucky bounces and fortuitous schedule.
Jason Cole...he threw a sliced pickle and stuck it on the window, and we are still talking about it. LMAO
 
It's just an opinion, and I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions. I don't like speaking in generalities but I believe that most "pumping Tannehill" are doing so out of loyalty to the Dolphins. If the Fins cut him tomorrow, the next man up would become the greatest thing ever. This is fact we've unfortunately seen time and time again. I'm not saying they're right, I'm just saying that agenda is a little more clear and understandable to me.

Agendas are possible on both sides.

Guys who doubt Tannehill can still support the team, so I'm not sure where you're going with that.

---------- Post added at 01:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:38 AM ----------

The people defending Tannehill want to see him succeed on our team...the I told u so would just be an added bonus. Nice try tho buddy.

You polled them? You psychologically examined them all and have determined their need to be right doesn't trump their actual fanhood? Ok Doc. LOL
 
Oh yea Matt Moore's pick six against backups was great...you can nitpick Tannehill but not moore? Oh I get it you're one of these guys who thinks the deep pass is the only play in football....

That's the thing I don't understand about the Tannehill criticism after the last game. It seems like most of the people ripping Tannehill, are hyping Moore's performance - yet Moore was REAL close to have TWO pick-6s. Is it just because Moore can hit that deep pass?

While Moore has shown a more consistent ability to hit go routes, he also is more prone to awful game changing INTs and pick-6's...

If Tannehill threw that pick 6 I can only imagine the outrage on here...
 
That's the thing I don't understand about the Tannehill criticism after the last game. It seems like most of the people ripping Tannehill, are hyping Moore's performance - yet Moore was REAL close to have TWO pick-6s. Is it just because Moore can hit that deep pass?

While Moore has shown a more consistent ability to hit go routes, he also is more prone to awful game changing INTs and pick-6's...

If Tannehill threw that pick 6 I can only imagine the outrage on here...

If you zero in on that game, the difference is Moore overcame his mistakes to lead sustained drives put TD's on the board. That's the difference between the two guys, because both nearly had two INT's.
 
Agendas are possible on both sides.

Guys who doubt Tannehill can still support the team, so I'm not sure where you're going with that.

---------- Post added at 01:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:38 AM ----------



You polled them? You psychologically examined them all and have determined their need to be right doesn't trump their actual fanhood? Ok Doc. LOL

Seriously...what kind of satisfaction does one get out of telling strangers on a message board they were right all along? Seems stupid to me...I guess some people need that in their ****ty lives....
 
If you zero in on that game, the difference is Moore overcame his mistakes to lead sustained drives put TD's on the board. That's the difference between the two guys, because both nearly had two INT's.

because Tannehill hasnt overcome picks before.
 
Back
Top Bottom