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royalshank said:
I may be in the minority but I prefer Grant over all of those guys simply because he helps us win 2 games per year w return TDs and / or field flipping returns - what game was it this year where he took 3 across midfield? The other guys don’t give you anything special. Grant isn’t a great WR but his catch to target %age was surprisingly good last year. IMO he’s more important to the team than those other guys and would like to see him back.
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If we go Waddle and he takes kickoffs or punts it makes Grant expendable.
 
He has the quickest three steps i ever seen. He hit full speed in three steps. And he doesn't loose speed making tighty circle around the db.
Watch his first three steps after catching the ball. Amazing.
Take him at 6, no problem with me. Or take him at 8 if we trade down.

He is a home run every time the ball goes his way.
 
We consistently see teams gamble on elite speed and WR's who lack size are some of the most common busts. Love to see Waddle make it, but he is no guarantee. Personally, I like the kid, but I also liked Henry Ruggs III who looked just as good.
 
kcbrown said:
I've watched Waddle and Smith highlights several times now….and to me, and I am no expert…but Waddle just has that extra juice, that shake, that wiggle, that burn that jumps out to me a little more than Smith.

Waddle looks more like a Mark Clayton to me - and Clayton never gets talked about - but Mark Clayton was a damn beast.

I would be happy with Smith too (and of course Pitts), but I am surprised so many on Finheaven seem ok with picking Smith at 6, as he reminds me of a Ted Ginn Jr. burner type - who this whole board complained about for years.

Waddle is just nasty.

So give me Waddle early; and then give me Amon or Dyami later and lets go to the AFC Championship game!

Adios Grant, adios Hurns….and if necessary, adios Wilson and Perry as well.
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I compare him to Tyreek Hill more than Clayton.
 
Digital said:
We consistently see teams gamble on elite speed and WR's who lack size are some of the most common busts. Love to see Waddle make it, but he is no guarantee. Personally, I like the kid, but I also liked Henry Ruggs III who looked just as good.
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I think you are confused between track guy playing wr and wr who is fast.
Track guy playing wr : Grant
Wr who is fast : Tyreek Hill, Duper, and now Waddle.

I think you are overly concern about Waddle.
 
Waddle is a tremendous punt returner as well. He is more solidly built than Smith. He has way more burst and elusiveness than Chase. His determination to play in the NC and rehab was a high character sign. Chase sat out the year because he knew LSU and the QB would suck. The covid excuse was BS.
I think the 2 guys Grier has targeted are Pitts and Waddle.
 
Dan13Forever said:
I think you are confused between track guy playing wr and wr who is fast.
Track guy playing wr : Grant
Wr who is fast : Tyreek Hill, Duper, and now Waddle.

I think you are overly concern about Waddle.
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OK, so do you remember the Alabama team with Henry Ruggs II? I like Waddle, but he's not significantly bigger than Ruggs. You can claim Waddle is the more polished WR, but at the very least I think that's an open debate, because this time last year Ruggs showed his versatility at the Combine and elsewhere and made a believer of most scouts. At the end of the day nobody doubts the elite speed of either Ruggs or Waddle. But, everyone questions being in an all-star team at Alabama and the completely different physicality of CB press coverage in the NFL compared to the soft touch college kids. Not saying Ruggs will not prove to be good, but he was chosen over Justin Jefferson, Jerry Jeudy, and a bunch of better big WR's in the 2nd round like Chase Claypool and Tee Higgins. Size matters far more in the NFL than it does in the collegiate ranks. Waddle will likely succeed and be great ... but there are very low success rate for guys like Tyreek Hill.

Mark Duper was a different era, when DB's were allowed to clobber WR's all the way down the field, so if you didn't have elite accelleration and speed, you never generated any separation at all. Today's NFL is 1,000% easier for QB's and WR's because the DB's are only allowed to touch the WR in a small window at the line of scrimmage. The bigger WR's simply push through that and are quickly into their routes in an area where the DB's get called for pass interference today for doing anything even remotely close to what they could legally do in Duper's era. So that momentary delay at the line of scrimmage throws the WR off his timing route, and those precision fast throw short passing offenses everyone runs today don't work and the WR doesn't do great.

Also, it's worth noting that Tyreek Hills routes are usually longer, and Patrick Mahomes is exceptional at buying time and making off-platform throws so he can extend the play until Hill eventually gets into open space in the secondary. While our hope is that one day Tua will be able to do that and our OL will be able to give him time to do that ... we're certainly not there yet, and very few NFL clubs are at that point. Maybe Seattle because Wilson is so good at it, maybe where ever Deshaun Watson lands, a couple others maybe, but not the Dolphins. So if he comes here, Waddle will need to win vs. press coverage, because we're not built to buy him time. Hill was cut off in the Super Bowl because Mahomes was running for his life. And if KC with a great OL and QB situation can't make it work, I don't have much hope for us. OL has not really been our strength since Shula retired.
 
Dynastybuilder said:
I'd actually be more inclined to say Waddle is more Ginn Jr. than Smith.
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I think Waddle is most like Tyreek Hill. He's nothing like Ted Ginn. Ginn was a long strider and doesn't even come close to as twitchy as Waddle is, or as fast . Waddle is also a tough mf-er. Ginn couldn't wait to get out of bounds.
 
rickd13 said:
I think Waddle is most like Tyreek Hill. He's nothing like Ted Ginn. Ginn was a long strider and doesn't even come close to as twitchy as Waddle is, or as fast . Waddle is also a tough mf-er. Ginn couldn't wait to get out of bounds.
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I meant more in the sense of special teams production vs receiving production. Yes, Waddle was on pace for a great year before his injury but in years prior put up nothing special. If i'm drafting a receiver in the top 10 (Hill was in the 2nd?) I want some production at the college level.
 
It's not that I have a problem with Waddle. Love him. But Pitts/Chase are my trade up guys. I don't believe they traded back to to 6 to draft Waddle. Now...8. I could see. I wouldn't be upset about it...but if I'm going to give up a one I'm trying to get the guy I think is best at his position. That to me is Pitts. You could argue Chase, Smith and Waddle.
 
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