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Joe-28th ranked coach?

rent this space said:
again, I'm not sure 8-8 is running aground.
If things work out I'm sure anyone that is part of it will be a hot commodity right or wrong.
Let me ask you- if Lazor is a hit, does Philbin get credit for hiring him?
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No, because if Philbin had his druthers, Mike Sherman would still be here. And we almost didn't get Bill anyway, he was going to another team.
 
spiketex said:
I heard this morning that the late Chuck Noll only had 12 wins in his first 3 seasons as Head Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. But the Rooneys were smart enough to stick with him and he ended up winning 4 Super Bowls and successfully changed the team culture.
In comparison, Joe Philbin has won 15 games in the first 2 seasons and the media and half of Finheaven want his head on a plate. Let's try to be patient. I remain very optimistic for this season. I continue to see Joe as a very well organized coach who knows what he is doing. The departure of Mike Sherman was tough for him because Mike was his mentor, but it had to be done and I'm eager to see what Lazor can do to develop Tannehill.
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That was a different era. It took much longer to build a team, and free agency wasn't like it is now. Still, I looked at his record since you brought him up, and he progressed every year, being last in his division to first in his division.

Everyone has to be compared to their peers. You can't compare Tannehill to Bob Griese, for example.
 
gafin said:
Patience is a key alright, but it is very hard to be patient, when you see other teams turn it around, and the Dolphins remain the same no matter who coaches or GM's the team. In a round about way, I guess that proves the point of patience, change hasn't helped very much.
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You really think another six years of Jeff Ireland is the solution to the Dolphins woes? Patience is fine when there is forward progress, but five straight years of 7-9, 6-10, 8-8 is more than enough to know that things are never going to get better without a change. Thankfully Steven Ross finally figured that out as well.
 
roy_miami said:
We didn't play down to every opponent. We had trouble specifically against top defenses. And we had trouble against top defenses because our offense was pathetic. And our offense was pathetic mostly because of Jeff Ireland. We were 1-6 against top ten defenses which obviously means we were 7-2 against everybody else. And the one top 10 defense we beat it took overtime and our defense had to score most of our points for us.



And I'm sure if one of those guys was our coach you and all the others would be singing his praises. :rolleyes2:

Gimme a ****ing break with this ****.
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You say the Dolphins lost to the Bills because the Bills have a top 10 defense and our offense is crap. No, we lost a game we had won because our coach was stupid enough to expose our biggest weakness to their biggest strength with the game on the line when it was unnecessary. There are other examples, but I don't feel like recapping another 7 games.

Bad coaches take 3.5 good quarters of football and watch their team lose half the time. Good coaches are still going to lose 5-6 games a year on average, but will not let their team have an excuse for losing half the games they should have won.

It's pretty laughable to say we lost because our offense stinks when we lost to teams fielding Thad Lewis (twice), Mike Glennon, and Geno Smith. It seems like other coaches worth their salt are able to take a crappy offense and still win football games, at least when facing a coach over his head as a head coach.
 
Sirspud said:
It's pretty laughable to say we lost because our offense stinks when we lost to teams fielding Thad Lewis (twice), Mike Glennon, and Geno Smith. It seems like other coaches worth their salt are able to take a crappy offense and still win football games, at least when facing a coach over his head as a head coach.
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Maybe Ryan Tannehill is not that much better than Thad Lewis, Mike Glennon and Geno Smith, did you ever think of that?

And we did win games. Which coach with a worse offense than ours won more than 8 games?
 
HoneyB said:
No, because if Philbin had his druthers, Mike Sherman would still be here. And we almost didn't get Bill anyway, he was going to another team.
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If Philbin didn't have "druthers" Ireland would still be our GM. And Lazor said he came here specifically because of Joe Philbin, but I suppose you'll choose to not believe that statement....
 
roy_miami said:
Maybe Ryan Tannehill is not that much better than Thad Lewis, Mike Glennon and Geno Smith, did you ever think of that?

And we did win games. Which coach with a worse offense than ours won more than 8 games?
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But our offense and the HC are not mutually excusive. Part of the reason, actually a LOT of the reason, our offense was bad is due to the HC.
 
roy_miami said:
If Philbin didn't have "druthers" Ireland would still be our GM. And Lazor said he came here specifically because of Joe Philbin, but I suppose you'll choose to not believe that statement....
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No actually what Lazor said was he wouldn't come here unless he had full control of the offense. Basically saying he knew he wouldn't be able to come to agreements on a lot of what Philbin said so he had to have the power to override Philbin in matters related to the offense or he wasn't coming here.
 
Hayden Fox said:
I predicted 7 to 9 wins, but we have been over this like…maybe ten times...
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Lies!!! LIAR!!!! From what I remember since the first Buffalo game you picked us to win one game (Bengals, congrats on that one). I recall lots of:
"I got a bad feeling"
"Rex Ryan >> Joe Philbin"
"Panthers gonna murder us"
"Belichick is gonna kill Philbin"
"Bet everything you got on Mike McKoy"
"No way we win in the snow at Pittsburgh or Buffalo"
"Jets will dash our playoff hopes this week"

I don't remember but I assume you also picked the Saints, the Ravens and maybe even the Browns. So refresh my memory, which games did you predict we would win? LaCanfora predicted we would go 0-16 and I'm pretty sure you picked us to win 3 games AT MOST.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
No actually what Lazor said was he wouldn't come here unless he had full control of the offense. Basically saying he knew he wouldn't be able to come to agreements on a lot of what Philbin said so he had to have the power to override Philbin in matters related to the offense or he wasn't coming here.
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More lies. Show me the quote...
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
But our offense and the HC are not mutually excusive. Part of the reason, actually a LOT of the reason, our offense was bad is due to the HC.
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Tannehill can't hit a wide open receiver for an easy TD and that is on the coach? Tannehill slides a yard short of the first down with the playoffs on the line and that is on the coach? Tannehill audibles to a pass play with the lead late in the fourth quarter and lets a defender take the ball out of his hand... that is on the coach?
 
HoneyB said:
No, because if Philbin had his druthers, Mike Sherman would still be here. And we almost didn't get Bill anyway, he was going to another team.
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How does any of that not make him a good hire?
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
No actually what Lazor said was he wouldn't come here unless he had full control of the offense. Basically saying he knew he wouldn't be able to come to agreements on a lot of what Philbin said so he had to have the power to override Philbin in matters related to the offense or he wasn't coming here.
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Actually, he story said he was told by Eagles staffers not to take the job unless he got full control, we don't know what Lazor said.

"...Associates of new Dolphins offensive coordinator Bill Lazor, Philadelphia’ former quarterback coach, said he was advised by the Eagles not to take the Dolphins job if Joe Philbin didn’t give him total control of his unit. Philbin has given him that authority, and Dolphins players are excited about the system he’s implementing..."

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...-um-marlins-jimbo-responds.html#storylink=cpy
 
z926538 said:
You really think another six years of Jeff Ireland is the solution to the Dolphins woes? Patience is fine when there is forward progress, but five straight years of 7-9, 6-10, 8-8 is more than enough to know that things are never going to get better without a change. Thankfully Steven Ross finally figured that out as well.
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I don't know, I am not very patient myself (but in most situations it is a good thing to be patient), if we have another year like we have been having, I will want Joe to go. It just seems like no matter what the Dolphins do, fire or don't fire, it turns out to not work.
 
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