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And we now know Martin went all spazzy skipping out on practices and was suicidal this time last year. Only a ****ing moron would take a chance on that to protect your young franchise QB. So Ireland and Philbin would both have to be morons, if just one of them is stupid enough to stick it out with Martin it couldn't be Philbin because we have evidence that we did try to upgrade the position and Philbin doesn't have the authority to override Ireland.

Common sense to me:

Philbin: Can you get me another option or three at tackle? Martin needs some time to develop.
Ireland: Nope. Martin and Clabo will be fine. Stop being such a nit.
Philbin: But wtf are you doing with that $23 million, get me some help you prick!
Ireland: I have a plan asshole!! Lets just see what Martin can do for a year, mmmmkay?
 
Face it, they liked Jonathan Martin.

Here's Jim Turner in August 2012 commenting on Martin working at RT:

“If you break that game down, (with) him getting comfortable at that position, nobody’s going to work harder than Jon at becoming the player he can become,” Turner said. We all see the talent in him. He’s the right guy to play this position for us. That’s what these four (preseason) games are about: Learning about his body, learning what he’s capable of doing, learning the angles of his sets, tightening up his footwork. I have no reservations about his ability or his character.”
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Here's Joe Philbin at that same press conference:

Coach Joe Philbin, meanwhile, echoes Turner’s confidence that Martin is the right man for the right tackle job. While he called the holding infraction Martin incurred “a bad penalty,” Philbin said one of the two sacks against him Friday could and should have been avoided if rookie quarterback Ryan Tannehill had stepped up into the pocket.
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Here's Joe Philbin in March of 2013 before the draft:

"There's still a lot of things we can do to this the roster," Philbin explained. "The roster's going to be different when we even start practicing. I think we're going on the field May 21st or 22nd, so it's hard to say right now (who's going to be playing LT).

But that doesn't mean Philbin would doubt Martin's ability to play the position. "If he's the best one that we have, absolutely," Philbin replied when asked if he would be comfortable with Martin as the left tackle. "As you guys are well aware, there's a lot of time between now and September. There's a lot of variables, a lot of things could happen. But if he earns the spot, I would be comfortable with it."Asked if Martin has the ability to play either the right or left tackle position, Philbin responded, "I think he's demonstrated an ability on film in the National Football League that he has a chance to play either side."
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Here's Mike Sherman on August 7, 2013:

(On evaluating Jonathan Martin so far) –“I think any left tackle in his second year in this league is a work in progress, and I think Jonathan Martin is as well. It’s a premier position. I don’t know if any left tackle other than the Jonathan Ogden’s of the world, the Richmond Webb’s of the world that walk in and can effectively do the job play-after-play. In practice he is going against what I consider a couple of the very best pass rushers in football, it’s a great challenge for him. It’s definitely going to get him a lot better. But I’m pleased with his progress. Does he have a ways to go, yes, but I expected that going in that he’s going to have to continue to work to get better, and he’s going to be a fine left tackle in this league, if not a very good one.”[/B]
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Here's Joe Philbin on August 21, 2013:

“I think he’s been quietly improving. That’s probably a good thing for an offensive lineman, you don’t’ want to be noticed too much as an offensive lineman. I think the timing on his punch is getting better, his footwork is getting better. Again his continual work, he’s working hard at it he’s very detailed with his preparation, and I like the strides he’s making, he certainly has more to make.”
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And I recall even more than that. I don't have a quote, but I distinctly remember a newspaper reporter directly asking Joe Philbin if he thought Jonathan Martin was physical enough, or had any issue with physicality. Philbin said no, said he's physical enough.

You can believe anything you want, we're not told what happened, but my sense of it is that Jonathan Martin was a Joe Philbin special. Just the guy for him, smart, athletic, respectful, and a finesse tackle. He probably lobbied heavily for him in the draft. Then, at some point, Philbin began to get worried about him, but not enough to admit outright that he's a bust.

But the right thing to do was to leave Martin at RT where he was, leave the LT position vacant, and let your GM go get you a left tackle. Maybe nobody preferred that option because there were not a lot of FA options, Albert required a sacrifice in a trade, and Martin would likely beat out any rookie LT they picked up that year, anyway. So they stood pat. It was a gamble, and it blew up in their faces.
 
HoneyB said:
Face it, they liked Jonathan Martin.

You can believe anything you want, we're not told what happened, but my sense of it is that Jonathan Martin was a Joe Philbin special. .
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Does your sense also tell you that if Philbin really didn't like Martin he would say so to a reporter? Any other precedence of him doing that? And the quotes aren't exactly ringing endorsements even for coach speak. So you leave Martin at RT, even though Ireland just signed Clabo who is also a RT and tell Ireland you need a LT, what do you do if he doesn't oblige your request? And before you answer try to keep in mind these guys are professional adults with a clear hierarchy. I don't think they resolve their disputes with "Well I'm playing Martin at RT anyway so naaa na-na na-na naaaaa."
 
roy_miami said:
Does your sense also tell you that if Philbin really didn't like Martin he would say so to a reporter? Any other precedence of him doing that? And the quotes aren't exactly ringing endorsements even for coach speak. So you leave Martin at RT, even though Ireland just signed Clabo who is also a RT and tell Ireland you need a LT, what do you do if he doesn't oblige your request? And before you answer try to keep in mind these guys are professional adults with a clear hierarchy. I don't think they resolve their disputes with "Well I'm playing Martin at RT anyway so naaa na-na na-na naaaaa."
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The precedence is, he benches or cuts people. When they stay on the roster and he talks them up, he wants them there.

You don't seem to understand that coaches control the roster. The LT position is a key position. If the coach doesn't have a LT, and makes that clear to the GM well in advance, then the GM will get a LT, period. You're not obligated to move your RT to the left.
 
HoneyB said:
The precedence is, he benches or cuts people. When they stay on the roster and he talks them up, he wants them there.

You don't seem to understand that coaches control the roster. The LT position is a key position. If the coach doesn't have a LT, and makes that clear to the GM well in advance, then the GM will get a LT, period. You're not obligated to move your RT to the left.
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No, you don't seem to understand. Lets play a game I'll play Ireland and you play Philbin.

Philbin: I need a LT
Ireland: You have Martin who was a good tackle in college and I'm not getting anybody else at this time.

Your move.

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And as far as cutting people he wanted to cut Incognito after the sexual harassment and Ireland said no.
 
z926538 said:
I agree. We had quite a few 9-7 seasons with Marino as QB. Marino's 9-7 teams were much more enjoyable to watch than Wannstedt's 9-7 teams. Let's see what Lazor can do with this offense. Hopefully Tannehill will finally mature to be the QB that his draft position demands that he be and that the new tools provided by Hickey will make a difference.
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:lol: Exactly what tools are you discussing, Moreno, Lynch or Daimen Williams?? So in your eyes the reason Ryan will be a success is all due to our new GM and all the great tools he has put around Ryan, and none of the credit goes to the GM that brought Ryan to the dolphins?? OK got it.
 
Great thing about questions like this, you can go from 28th to top 10 overnight in one season. This is a hate me love me league. If you are winning they love you and if you are losing they hate you.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
:lol: Exactly what tools are you discussing, Moreno, Lynch or Daimen Williams?? So in your eyes the reason Ryan will be a success is all due to our new GM and all the great tools he has put around Ryan, and none of the credit goes to the GM that brought Ryan to the dolphins?? OK got it.
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I was talking about our new offensive linemen. I know many people on this board don't consider O-line to be important, but somebody has to block and we didn't have anybody doing it last year.

And with regards to Ireland's selection of Tannehill, the board has had this discussion before and I believe the majority of the board believes he picked the wrong quarterback, that selecting Russell Wilson would have been a much better choice. But then again following Fat Tuna's rules about QB height was more important than choosing a seasoned starter with a solid history of being a winner.
 
roy_miami said:
No, you don't seem to understand. Lets play a game I'll play Ireland and you play Philbin.

Philbin: I need a LT
Ireland: You have Martin who was a good tackle in college and I'm not getting anybody else at this time.

Your move.
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I have an imagination, too, and this is how I guess it all went down:

Part I

Ireland: What do you think of Jake Long?
Philbin: He's got talent, but he's been injured a lot, and he's not really a good fit. I need an athletic LT for my ZBS, who can consistently pass protect. I need a guy who's coachable, too and doesn't talk back.
Ireland: Well, Long has one more year on his contract, no problem, I can draft one and he can learn at RT for a year.
Philbin: Great.
Ireland: How about Jonathan Martin from Stanford?
Philbin: Perfect fit.

Part II

Ireland: How is Jake Long doing?
Philbin: He hurt his knee. How healthy is this guy, anyway?
Ireland: He's got some medical issues, but he's been solid for us. How is Martin doing so far?
Philbin: Doing everything we ask of him, good character guy. My coaches love him.
Ireland: What's the update on Jake Long and Jonathan Martin?
Philbin: Long is hurt again. He will miss some games.
Ireland: That's too bad, well there are options on who can be plugged in, if you think Martin can handle it temporarily, he can play LT, and it will also give us a peek at seeing how he'd do long term.
Philbin: That's fine. I'm happy with the way Martin is developing, he's not ready to handle LT full time yet, but filling in will give him some experience.

Part III

Ireland: Well, it's a new year now, Long should be ready to go.
Philbin: Yeah, well I feel like I can't count on him.
Ireland: Well, he does have a history of injury, but he's been solid for us. We have to make a decision because this is his contract year. It will cost a bundle to keep him. But if we have Martin as leverage, we may be able to get the price down. What do you think of Martin at this point, is he developing, or is he a bust?
Philbin: He's not a bust at all, we like him, he's coming along.
Ireland: Ok, well he'll be our fallback option if negotiations with Long don't work out.

Part IV

Philbin: Give me the update on Jake Long.
Ireland: It's not happening. Jake is looking elsewhere.
Philbin: What are our options?
Ireland: We can draft one if we need to, but Martin will likely win the spot anyway because he has more experience. The only premium player is Brandon Albert, but we'd have to sacrifice a draft pick for him. There are lower tier players like McKinnie out there. You're the coach, can Martin handle LT, or not?
Philbin: He can handle it, if it comes to that. But personnel is your job, you make the call.
Ireland: Well I've seen Jon Martin and it doesn't look like he's been developed much at all.
Philbin: Are you telling me I haven't done a good enough job with Martin?
Ireland: I gave you a LT, why haven't you coached him up?
Philbin: Eff U.
Ireland: You too.
Philbin (to Dawn): Ireland is not working with me. He's shutting me out of the process.
Dawn: Ireland doesn't work with anyone. He's an ass. Tell me what you need.
Philbin: I need a left tackle.
Dawn: I thought we just drafted one last year.
Philbin: Don't start...
Dawn: Well, I've hammered out the numbers with Brandon Albert's agent and it's all set. The money's there. It's just a question of what draft pick his team wants in exchange. What draft picks are you willing to give up for him?
Philbin: That's not my job.
Dawn: You're right, it's not....it's not mine, either.
Philbin: Well, whatever happens, I'll still be here, so I'm not worried.
Dawn: I'll still be here too!
(High five)
 
HoneyB said:
I have an imagination, too, and this is how I guess it all went down:
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I don't care how you guess it went down. You said I don't understand the dynamic. You said If Philbin wanted a LT he would have had one PERIOD. I don't think that is true, I think the opposite is true so indulge me with my game and help me understand what I'm missing:

Philbin: I need a LT
Ireland: You have Martin who was a good tackle in college, I already got you an option in Dallas Thomas and I'm not getting anybody else at this time.

Your move.
 
:deadhorse:

We just see things differently.

But to try to answer your question, you leave a backup at LT, leave JMart at RT and at the very least Ireland picks up McKinnie for LT.
 
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