Jonnu Smith Trade?

[JamesWsenior]

Ok y'all. I enjoy a good back and forth but let's get back to the task at hand shall we. Two years 12 million is a number that sounds good to me. 8 guaranteed.

 

[danmarino7051]

Ok y'all. I enjoy a good back and forth but let's get back to the task at hand shall we. Two years 12 million is a number that sounds good to me. 8 guaranteed.

I like it. I’d even throw in some bones. Make Pro Bowl you get an extra $1m. Score “X” amount of TD’s and you get another $1m. Etc.

I think he’s worth around $10m per year, but he’s getting up there so no long contracts.

 

[Blake the great]

Lmao you still think making up **** is a valid argument. You literally make up someone’s argument and lut words they didn’t say. Are you 6? That’s such a child like strategy. Find where I said he’s better find it please.

I said his style of play is a better fit for our offense. A tight end that doesn’t give away our play call, can pass and run block and can catch an occasional pass is far superior to our offense then a guy who can only act as a target even if it’s at a higher level.

Children forum would do you well, can’t wait for your next strategy of “I know you are but what am I”

Here I’ll even help you out since it’s apparent you are unable to read and I stand what you’ve just read so resort to twisting an argument like a child.



Read it slow, read it carefully. Once you think you understand it, read it again just to make sure.

Here’s you making things up even from the beginning, might work well with your fellow 3rd graders but not here.


Again part in bold, read very very slowly. Ask your parents to help you out if you don’t get it. In no reality did I ever say smythe was better than jonnu and i never even compared the two, always compared the idea of a more traditional tight end compared to a pure wideout as an better offensive fit for our offense.

You’ve also ignored the last part multiple times about his age and salary. Any benefit jonnu brings gets completely wiped out when you factor in he’s going to be 31 asking for a multi year deal at likely 10+ million.

Lmao you still think making up **** is a valid argument. You literally make up someone’s argument and lut words they didn’t say. Are you 6? That’s such a child like strategy. Find where I said he’s better find it please.

I said his style of play is a better fit for our offense. A tight end that doesn’t give away our play call, can pass and run block and can catch an occasional pass is far superior to our offense then a guy who can only act as a target even if it’s at a higher level.

Children forum would do you well, can’t wait for your next strategy of “I know you are but what am I”

Here I’ll even help you out since it’s apparent you are unable to read and I stand what you’ve just read so resort to twisting an argument like a child.



Read it slow, read it carefully. Once you think you understand it, read it again just to make sure.

Here’s you making things up even from the beginning, might work well with your fellow 3rd graders but not here.


Again part in bold, read very very slowly. Ask your parents to help you out if you don’t get it. In no reality did I ever say smythe was better than jonnu and i never even compared the two, always compared the idea of a more traditional tight end compared to a pure wideout as an better offensive fit for our offense.

You’ve also ignored the last part multiple times about his age and salary. Any benefit jonnu brings gets completely wiped out when you factor in he’s going to be 31 asking for a multi year deal at likely 10+ million.

He's actually 29 years old. I never said we need to pay him big money either. My whole argument is you are downplaying his value to this team as a weapon on offense. We will have to agree to disagree. Go finish playing madden, Coach.

 

[NY8123]

You gave him a PFF number which anyone on planet earth with 2 brain cells could do, don't act like you invented the wheel. Your stupid ass answer needed context which I gave which from what I've been seeing recently is every single one of your responses.

I don't know what the rest of that word vomit is.

Did you not write “He’s the 5th ranked TE”?

5 is a number. A PFF number. Did you use all two of your brain cells typing it? Lmaooo

Snap counts don’t show how well he did in those snaps. Again, you’re not adding anything to the original question. You tried to insult me, but failed.

Please try and keep up if you’re going to address me.

No need to make it personal. PFF is just a ranking system, some like it, others despise it.

Like it or hate it, it's here to stay and should be used with all the metrics out there.

 

[danmarino7051]

No need to make it personal. PFF is just a ranking system, some like it, others despise it.

Like it or hate it, it's here to stay and should be used with all the metrics out there.

I wasn’t getting personal. I repeated to him what he wrote to me. I use PFF. He used PFF. Except he claimed that PFF was only used by people with “two brain cells”.

 

[E30M3]

No need to make it personal. PFF is just a ranking system, some like it, others despise it.

Like it or hate it, it's here to stay and should be used with all the metrics out there.

All good, already put him on ignore.

 

[Michael Scott]

Well it’s June 1….. can we get Ramsey’s bitch ass up out of here please?

 

[MARINO1384]

Probably went over my head because it’s still a stupid point to compare a primary target like hill and a 3rd or 4th option like Jonnu.

Nobody said other tight ends could produce like Jonnu, you made that up. My point is he’s not needed. We had better offenses in 2022 and 2023 without a good tight end target. He’s more of a liability in this offense as he can’t block so he’s essentially a 4th option wide out who telegraphs our plays. An actual tight end who’s not nearly the receiver as jonnu but can make an occasional catch while giving Miami the flexibility to run or even keep in to pass block would be way more valuable to Miami’s offense than Jonnu.

You also skipped the part where I said even if you are 100% he’s still 31 and wants a multi year deal worth 10+ million

He's actually 29 years old. I never said we need to pay him big money either. My whole argument is you are downplaying his value to this team as a weapon on offense. We will have to agree to disagree. Go finish playing madden, Coach.

No your argument is that you made **** up I never said then proceeded to argue against your made up point.

He’ll be 30 before this season starts and he’ll be 31 before he ever plays on any kind of kind of extension. Make sure you get your homework done kiddo.

 

[tay0365]

Of you watch when top teams play each other, rarely

He’s actually been so awesome most of us are just trying to catch our breath.

If not for his Injury issues and lack of a consistent O-Line, your breath would have been taken a long time ago. For now, having the best QB rating one year, most yards another, and best completion percentage in another has to be enough to take your breath away, and tell you there is something there.

 

[tay0365]

When Tua is healthy he is absolutely gold. Him, the offense, shades of ‘84. The league should be scared, if he stays healthy, ohh boy!

Good to see you realize how good the offense has been when Tua is in the line up, I'm sure whether NFL team agree or not, they saw it 1st hand with how few offenses the last 3 years scored or moved the ball as well as Miami in the NFL.

 

[tay0365]

Yeah but check the score...

Yes hopefully the Defense pulls it's weight better in crunch time this year, and actually stop teams from scoring.

 

[danmarino7051]

IMO, Tua gets the ball out quickly for two reasons. One, because Grier can't build a competent o-line that gives the QB time to let plays develop downfield. And two, Tua can only look decent at QB when he gets the ball out quickly, because he's not able to EFFICIENTLY move around and evade pressure and either make off-script plays like Mahomes or be a threat running the ball like Allen. IOW, Tua NEEDS to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible, and we've seen times when it doesn't matter if that receiver is open or not.

Wait… what?

You wrote that he needs to get the ball out quickly because of poor OL play (I agree) and then you said he needs to get the ball out quickly because he isn’t good unless he does?

And he only looks good getting the ball out quickly because he can’t scramble like Allen or Mahomes? I mean… what?

I agree that he can’t move like Mahomes or Allen, not many QB’s can, but I don’t understand the point of your post.

Bottom line, if he had more time in the pocket he wouldn’t need to get the ball out so quickly. And unless you think giving him more time in the pocket will make him worse, he doesn’t need to scramble like Allen. Do you think giving him more time will make him a worse QB? Because your post kinda reads like you do.

 

[gofins60]

Wait… what?

You wrote that he needs to get the ball out quickly because of poor OL play (I agree) and then you said he needs to get the ball out quickly because he isn’t good unless he does?

And he only looks good getting the ball out quickly because he can’t scramble like Allen or Mahomes? I mean… what?

I agree that he can’t move like Mahomes or Allen, not many QB’s can, but I don’t understand the point of your post.

Bottom line, if he had more time in the pocket he wouldn’t need to get the ball out so quickly. And unless you think giving him more time in the pocket will make him worse, he doesn’t need to scramble like Allen. Do you think giving him more time will make him a worse QB? Because your post kinda reads like you do.

Good point, because yeah, I guess that Tua would do better behind a good o-line. That said, there are two things that a better line can't help. First, Tua has already admitted that he sometimes has problems seeing WRs downfield over the linemen, so a bigger, stronger o-line might possibly make it harder for him to see. And, while a better line would give him more time, no line can hold off defenders forever, so eventually Tua is going to have to go mobile, but his ability to scramble, break tackles, and make an off-script play is far from elite.

IOW, it's my opinion that Tua needs to get the ball out quickly even with a better o-line because after those first few seconds, players moving around could block his viewing lanes and make it harder for him to find the open receiver. And, the longer he holds the ball, the higher the odds that he'll be pressured and have to move (and get tackled) or be sacked, and as we all have seen, he has become easily concussed, even with normal contact.

 

[Mach2]

Good point, because yeah, I guess that Tua would do better behind a good o-line. That said, there are two things that a better line can't help. First, Tua has already admitted that he sometimes has problems seeing WRs downfield over the linemen, so a bigger, stronger o-line might possibly make it harder for him to see. And, while a better line would give him more time, no line can hold off defenders forever, so eventually Tua is going to have to go mobile, but his ability to scramble, break tackles, and make an off-script play is far from elite.

IOW, it's my opinion that Tua needs to get the ball out quickly even with a better o-line because after those first few seconds, players moving around could block his viewing lanes and make it harder for him to find the open receiver. And, the longer he holds the ball, the higher the odds that he'll be pressured and have to move (and get tackled) or be sacked, and as we all have seen, he has become easily concussed, even with normal contact.

That's some "elite" level rationalization BS you have going on there, brother.

Your recent posts are all over the place with contradictory statements, backtracking, piece meal arguments that don't align cohesively, etc.

I realize forming and expressing coherent, concise and fact based opinions is not in everyone's wheelhouse.

You may be better off just saying you don't like Ross, Grier, McD or Tua and leave it at that, rather than attempting to expound on the specifics of why.

 

[fin007]