Just watched the game DON'T UNDERSTAND the frustration with Tannehill

[mwestberry]

Forget last year. Where is the improvement this year? Tannehill led the team to 3 points in almost 3 1/2 quarters against the worst defense in football in a game in which he received both excellent pass protection and a solid running game. Don't tell me that the Sims fumble is 100% responsible for the putrid performance. There is no evidence to suggest that Tannehill is progressing.

Thank you...

 

[nyashfan]

And Omar is basing this on practice? That's not the same as doing it in a game. I am not hating on him. When he does it in a game then the improvement will be acknowledged. Right now there is simply conjecture that because the OC, OL, RB and WR are improved, that Tannehill's improvement will follow automatically. I hope it does. But until it occurs, it hasn't. FinFanInBuffalo pointed out that so far Tannehill's QB rating is up 5 points. The counterarguments are that 1) this is not reflected on the scoreboard and 2) given the OC, OL, RB and WR improvements that his QB rating should have improved 10-15 points.

Lol Wow! Even Omar is saying RT is progressing! You base your stance on one example and you're going to fail every time! Have you been asleep for the rest of the offseason?!

 

[psfign]

By how much, and compared to how many yards other teams lost to sacks, all of whom, by definition would have lost yards to some extent? These are questions you have to answer, and this doesn't count how many of those sacks were because of Tannehill himself. So, just to pick another QB that played every snap of every game, Tom Brady lost about 256 yards presumably to sacks. Tanehill lost about 346. So compared to one guy, Tannehill lost 90 yards for the entire season to sacks above another QB I picked out of hat.

It's telling why you ignored the basic point, which is that Tannehill's individual passing yards look better than the actual result because other teams split their snaps between different QBs.

Well everyone else's point is that if you can't see RT's 'progress' then you sir, are blind. Now he still needs to do better than last year, but from OTA's, through training camp and the last couple scrimmages, he has shown fast improvements on the decision making, getting the ball out sooner, pocket presence and even the deep ball. And so again, I state, if you are basing your stance based on the scrimmage against the Cowboys, then you're a fool. And he did'n't even play bad in the game, other than the one boneheaded INT trying to force the ball to Hartline. Other than that, drives stalled due to dropped balls and a fumble. How can you blame RT for those? Please explain. Because so far, all you're bringing to the table is numbers that don't reflect the entire story. So again, where have you been the rest of the offseason? Did you just awake from a coma right before the game last weekend?

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Well everyone else's point is that if you can't see RT's 'progress' then you sir, are blind. Now he still needs to do better than last year, but from OTA's, through training camp and the last couple scrimmages, he has shown fast improvements on the decision making, getting the ball out sooner, pocket presence and even the deep ball. And so again, I state, if you are basing your stance based on the scrimmage against the Cowboys, then you're a fool. And he did'n't even play bad in the game, other than the one boneheaded INT trying to force the ball to Hartline. Other than that, drives stalled due to dropped balls and a fumble. How can you blame RT for those? Please explain. Because so far, all you're bringing to the table is numbers that don't reflect the entire story. So again, where have you been the rest of the offseason? Did you just awake from a coma right before the game last weekend?

I don't think he looks any better than last year through the preseason. I think he threw the worst interception I've ever seen from him this preseason.

 

[truedolfan57]

you guys know who had the most passing yards in 2013 preseason? Pat Devlin. That's the most in the entire NFL. yeah, that should tell you all you need to know about preseason.

 

[NBP81]

And Omar is basing this on practice? That's not the same as doing it in a game. I am not hating on him. When he does it in a game then the improvement will be acknowledged. Right now there is simply conjecture that because the OC, OL, RB and WR are improved, that Tannehill's improvement will follow automatically. I hope it does. But until it occurs, it hasn't. FinFanInBuffalo pointed out that so far Tannehill's QB rating is up 5 points. The counterarguments are that 1) this is not reflected on the scoreboard and 2) given the OC, OL, RB and WR improvements that his QB rating should have improved 10-15 points.

This has to be sarcasm...

 

[NJ Dolphan]

other than Rodgers, how many other QB's split time...enough to predict that they will more than likely have more than 39k yards? enough to put tannehill in the bottom? hell no. your argument is retarded.

You have to look at TEAMs that split the snaps. Off the top of my head, and these are all teams that were better than the Dolphins in passing yards: Cleveland, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Philly, Washington. And then you look at teams that were slightly behind the Dolphins and the picture gets worse. Jacksonville was about 200 yards total behind Miami, and that was with Gabbert starting three or four games. Tennessee had about 70 fewer passing yards than Miami and that was with Ryan Fitzpatrick getting the majority of the snaps, another team that, while giving up fewer sacks, had virtually nothing in the way of offensive weapons.

 

[gregorygrant83]

Tannehill has played what amounts to one NFL game this preseason. People are making way too much out of one game. You can't tell if a player is going to have a good or bad regular season based on 4 quarters of play. Did he do so things well in pre-season ... yes he did. Is there also room for improvement ... yes again. Anybody who thought he was going to come out of pre-season looking like Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning were being unrealistic. All in all I'd say he looked like an improving third year quarterback learning a new system, which is what he is.

 

[psfign]

And Omar is basing this on practice? That's not the same as doing it in a game. I am not hating on him. When he does it in a game then the improvement will be acknowledged. Right now there is simply conjecture that because the OC, OL, RB and WR are improved, that Tannehill's improvement will follow automatically. I hope it does. But until it occurs, it hasn't. FinFanInBuffalo pointed out that so far Tannehill's QB rating is up 5 points. The counterarguments are that 1) this is not reflected on the scoreboard and 2) given the OC, OL, RB and WR improvements that his QB rating should have improved 10-15 points.

No it's not the same as a live game, but progress is progress. You can't first progress in games before progressing in the offseason. Omar is very stingy with praising QBs. So if he is saying that there is significant progress, I can't help but take notice. And this gives me full confidence that RT will show this improvement when games are live.

And as far as your 'counterarguments':

1. This one is dumb. If you watched the game, you would see why points aren't on the board...and only one drive was stalled because of RT. The rest were dropped balls and a fumble.

2. OC and WR have definitely improved, but the jury is still out on the OL. They did very good against the cowboys, but again one game doesnt tell the entire story . As for the RB, Moreno also did awesome against the boys, but has been MIA for the most of the offseason. I do think he will start though and will do nothing but help RT.

So all in all, look at the whole picture instead of one or two examples.

 

[truedolfan57]

You have to look at TEAMs that split the snaps. Off the top of my head, and these are all teams that were better than the Dolphins in passing yards: Cleveland, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Philly, Washington. And then you look at teams that were slightly behind the Dolphins and the picture gets worse. Jacksonville was about 200 yards total behind Miami, and that was with Gabbert starting three or four games. Tennessee had about 70 fewer passing yards than Miami and that was with Ryan Fitzpatrick getting the majority of the snaps, another team that, while giving up fewer sacks, had virtually nothing in the way of offensive weapons.

you going by team passing yards again? you realize tannehill was sacked 58 times? the most in the nfl last year. don't even bring in "how many were on tannehill", because every qb gets sacked on their own account. tannehill didn't have a problem with sacks his rookie year, nothing like last season, and the whole oline has been revamped. The issue was the oline, for the majority of those sacks. Those 58 sacks brought down the team passing yards. So for you to use the team passing yards, to say tannehill is in the bottom half of the league in passing yards, is absolutely idiotic.

 

[psfign]

I don't think he looks any better than last year through the preseason. I think he threw the worst interception I've ever seen from him this preseason.

I just dont understand that. yes...boneheaded INT. But other than that, I see quicker decisions and more accurate throws.

 

[NJ Dolphan]

you going by team passing yards again? you realize tannehill was sacked 58 times? the most in the nfl last year. don't even bring in "how many were on tannehill", because every qb gets sacked on their own account. tannehill didn't have a problem with sacks his rookie year, nothing like last season, and the whole oline has been revamped. The issue was the oline, for the majority of those sacks. Those 58 sacks brought down the team passing yards. So for you to use the team passing yards, to say tannehill is in the bottom half of the league in passing yards, is absolutely idiotic.

Uggh, the point is that even when you get sacked a lot, you don't lose that many passing yards compared to the passing yards that every other team loses to sacks. I gave you an example of how it works. And that's assuming that Tannehill had nothing to do with the amount of times he got sacked.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I just dont understand that. yes...boneheaded INT. But other than that, I see quicker decisions and more accurate throws.

I don't feel like he needs 'quicker' decisions. He needs to let plays develop now that he has time to throw the football. I also don't see 'more accurate' throws. The pass to Dion Sims, upon further review, was not a bad decision. It was an inaccurate throw.

Of course, I also believe that he was a GOOD quarterback last season. I also do not believe that just because he's had a slow start in the preseason, he won't show improvement during the year.

If he stays healthy, he is going to get 16 games. Let's see what happens. I am a big believer in #17, but he's still got to prove it to me.

 

[psfign]

Uggh, the point is that even when you get sacked a lot, you don't lose that many passing yards compared to the passing yards that every other team loses to sacks. I gave you an example of how it works. And that's assuming that Tannehill had nothing to do with the amount of times he got sacked.

which was bogus and shows nothing.

 

[nyashfan]

Well, yes, it was meant as tongue-in-cheek. Those claiming that Tannehill will be fine said that the preseason doesn't matter. If the preseason doesn't matter, then neither does his 5 point improvement in QB rating.

This has to be sarcasm...