Of course, it's always the fan's fault for not worshiping the substandard crap product this franchise has put on the field over the last fifteen years. It's almost as if they feel they are entitled to our entertainment budget, that they don't have to actually earn it. Well, we fans may be a little slow but we're not stupid. Mister Ross has a tough road to hoe with his fanbase. We now are at the point where we actually demand results before we just throw our entertainment funds at his feet.
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Of course, it's always the fan's fault for not worshiping the substandard crap product this franchise has put on the field over the last fifteen years. It's almost as if they feel they are entitled to our entertainment budget, that they don't have to actually earn it. Well, we fans may be a little slow but we're not stupid. Mister Ross has a tough road to hoe with his fanbase. We now are at the point where we actually demand results before we just throw our entertainment funds at his feet.
MartinTheSNAKE
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Some players take time to develop, this wouldnt be the first time in history a player came out of nowhere and started playing meaningful minutes in games. He has all the tools, just needs the right role and maybe they have found him one now. Its fine that you think he should be cut, but i will hold my opinion until after i see him in preseason and from what i hear the next few months. He played well last season in limited snaps. I personally think we could have used him way more then we did. He would have been a nice jump ball target for Tannehill to go to @ the goal line, or a seam threat inside the redzone.
Sherman is a terrible offensive coordinator, that is crystal clear. So i will hold my judgment until after Lazor gets a chance to work with him. I think he will be able to find a use for him and hopefully he has a break out season.
dlockz
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So if Sherman is to blame why did Clay do well. egnew has been nothing short of horrible. Couldn't break into a pretty weak TE rotation.I agree some player do take time to develop that's why you don't take those guys that early in the draft.
As for tools almost every high draft pick has all the so called tools, we don't just keep drafting TE's because he is good.
finomenal
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In the past, I would defend Egnew. I never saw him play but I looked at his combine numbers when he got drafted.
He seemed like the prototype:http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/michael-egnew?id=2532834
He had the highest vertical, 40 time, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle times compared to the rest of the TEs in his class. Why doesn't he get separation? Those kinds of numbers suggest that he has explosive athleticism. My only explanation at this point is that he really is as dumb as the rumors say he is and he's not able to grasp the playbook as a result of it.
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I will know this team is on the right track when I DO NOT see the names daniel thomas, dion jordan and michael egnew on this roster.
When those ireland cancers are GONE, this team will be better.
When those ireland cancers are GONE, this team will be better.
dlockz
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In the past, I would defend Egnew. I never saw him play but I looked at his combine numbers when he got drafted.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/michael-egnew?id=2532834
He had the highest vertical, 40 time, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle times compared to the rest of the TEs in his class. Why doesn't he get separation? Those kinds of numbers suggest that he has explosive athleticism. My only explanation at this point is that he really is as dumb as the rumors say he is and he's not able to grasp the playbook as a result of it.
He is just one of those players that should just go to combines all the time and not play football.
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I wouldn't call Jordan a cancer, he is justa player we should not have traded up for.
Time to get over that already. Jordan's here and now no one is going to remember where we drafted him in 1 year or 5 years if he turns out to be a good DE for us. I'd say we give him a chance before we start putting up bust labels or call the pick a bad one.
i'm surprised you forgot to mention how Jordan couldn't beat out Derrick Shelby for playing time
dlockz
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we always have a predetermined opinion on a pick based on what we saw in college and what we may have saw last year. I never liked the pick, hey if it turns out well great for us at this point I see a player no better than the ones that were at our original pick along with costing us a second round pick that could have been a starter.
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I thought that was public knowledge by now
So basically, you just don't like him based on the very limited time he was on the field? Gotcha. And you don't know how any of those other situations would've turned out. Hindsight is always 20-20. Name a draft pick in the first 12 (our selection), that had a great rookie campaign. You really can't.
Here I'll do it...
jordan couldnt even beat out derrick shellby for playing time lol.
dlockz
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didn't like him as a prospect for our defense coming out of Oregon, seems a poor fit and is only similar to Taylor in build.
Any of the top 12 plus keeping our second would be a better result in my opinion.
I would have preferred trading that 42nd pick for Albert and drafting Eifert...better protection for Tannehill, another weapon and redzone presence on offense....
ckparrothead
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With respect to Michael Egnew I think four particular points are relevant:
1. So much of this is about opportunities. Charles Clay was wallowing in disappointment until D.J. Swearinger went Jeff Gillooly on Dustin Keller's knee. People forget but Clay was right there next to Egnew on Hard Knocks getting chewed out by Mike Sherman (since fired). He was inconsistent, a tweener, a late round pick, and his position on the roster (#2 tight end) was often cited as a position where Miami needed to get better and/or draft a replacement. Then Keller's knee detonates, and Clay becomes a top 10 fantasy tight end. Weird how that works, eh?
2. Great athletes (from a size-athleticism standpoint) at the position who were written off for one reason or another have a way of turning up like bad pennies in the NFL. Julius Thomas was nothing in the NFL for two years. He had one damn catch in two years as a pro, and that included a year with Peyton Manning. He gets his shot in 2013 and we're talking 1000 yards and 12 TDs. Jordan Cameron was a wide receiver convert who had virtually a blank for a college career, but the main thing he had going for him was really compelling tangibles at 6'5" with 4.53 speed. That's another guy that didn't do much of anything for two whole years in the NFL. He gets his chance, suddenly he's a top tight end. Joe Fauria goes undrafted despite being a 4.72 guy at an outstanding 6 feet, 7.5 inches. Commonly disrespected coming out as being "soft". He got 7 TDs as a rookie. Look at Luke Wilson of Rice. Not even the top tight end on his college team (which was Rice, not Notre Dame or anything) and if you watched him play you knew his limitations as a football player. What does he have going for him? He has 4.51 speed at 6 feet, 5.5 inches. He becomes the #2 tight end all year for the Super Bowl champs. For a season and a half Ladarius Green (6'6", 4.45 speed) wasn't anything in San Diego. Final seven games including two playoff games he scores 4 TDs and catches for 270 yards. When Jeff Cumberland came out he's just a 6'4" & 250 lbs former WR who runs a 4.45 and had a blank mark for a college career because of his tweener status. He goes undrafted but catches on with the Jets and when Keller leaves he gets 400 yards and 4 TDs.
3. Remember that when they took Egnew in 2012 the position was very weak after the top two (Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen). I had Chase Ford (who went undrafted) as a top 5 tight end and I don't think I was too far off as the guy has resurfaced as the #2 tight end in Minnesota and is getting +3.5 PFF marks on limited participation. There was a big dropoff after Fleener and Allen and I think Egnew should've rightly been considered the best tight end prospect after those two.
4. Like it or not right now he's the #2 tight end on the depth chart and that's been showing up in how they use him in OTAs. So I think any talk about him being a long shot to even make the roster should keep that in mind. When the Dolphins drafted Arthur Lynch, given the type of player he is that probably said more about Dion Sims than it did Michael Egnew. A lot of the negative perception about him has to do with a few scripted minutes on Hard Knocks and his draft placement. If not for those things I think people would be singling out Egnew as being a potential breakout player, citing his athleticism and the fact that his strength-weakness profile in college was that of a standout receiver with next to no blocking ability and over the course of his two years in the league he's arguably become the Dolphins best blocker at tight end. Those are normally reasons to have a guy tabbed for potential breakout, but "Freaking Egnew" and drafting the guy in the 3rd round have made that impossible.
1. So much of this is about opportunities. Charles Clay was wallowing in disappointment until D.J. Swearinger went Jeff Gillooly on Dustin Keller's knee. People forget but Clay was right there next to Egnew on Hard Knocks getting chewed out by Mike Sherman (since fired). He was inconsistent, a tweener, a late round pick, and his position on the roster (#2 tight end) was often cited as a position where Miami needed to get better and/or draft a replacement. Then Keller's knee detonates, and Clay becomes a top 10 fantasy tight end. Weird how that works, eh?
2. Great athletes (from a size-athleticism standpoint) at the position who were written off for one reason or another have a way of turning up like bad pennies in the NFL. Julius Thomas was nothing in the NFL for two years. He had one damn catch in two years as a pro, and that included a year with Peyton Manning. He gets his shot in 2013 and we're talking 1000 yards and 12 TDs. Jordan Cameron was a wide receiver convert who had virtually a blank for a college career, but the main thing he had going for him was really compelling tangibles at 6'5" with 4.53 speed. That's another guy that didn't do much of anything for two whole years in the NFL. He gets his chance, suddenly he's a top tight end. Joe Fauria goes undrafted despite being a 4.72 guy at an outstanding 6 feet, 7.5 inches. Commonly disrespected coming out as being "soft". He got 7 TDs as a rookie. Look at Luke Wilson of Rice. Not even the top tight end on his college team (which was Rice, not Notre Dame or anything) and if you watched him play you knew his limitations as a football player. What does he have going for him? He has 4.51 speed at 6 feet, 5.5 inches. He becomes the #2 tight end all year for the Super Bowl champs. For a season and a half Ladarius Green (6'6", 4.45 speed) wasn't anything in San Diego. Final seven games including two playoff games he scores 4 TDs and catches for 270 yards. When Jeff Cumberland came out he's just a 6'4" & 250 lbs former WR who runs a 4.45 and had a blank mark for a college career because of his tweener status. He goes undrafted but catches on with the Jets and when Keller leaves he gets 400 yards and 4 TDs.
3. Remember that when they took Egnew in 2012 the position was very weak after the top two (Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen). I had Chase Ford (who went undrafted) as a top 5 tight end and I don't think I was too far off as the guy has resurfaced as the #2 tight end in Minnesota and is getting +3.5 PFF marks on limited participation. There was a big dropoff after Fleener and Allen and I think Egnew should've rightly been considered the best tight end prospect after those two.
4. Like it or not right now he's the #2 tight end on the depth chart and that's been showing up in how they use him in OTAs. So I think any talk about him being a long shot to even make the roster should keep that in mind. When the Dolphins drafted Arthur Lynch, given the type of player he is that probably said more about Dion Sims than it did Michael Egnew. A lot of the negative perception about him has to do with a few scripted minutes on Hard Knocks and his draft placement. If not for those things I think people would be singling out Egnew as being a potential breakout player, citing his athleticism and the fact that his strength-weakness profile in college was that of a standout receiver with next to no blocking ability and over the course of his two years in the league he's arguably become the Dolphins best blocker at tight end. Those are normally reasons to have a guy tabbed for potential breakout, but "Freaking Egnew" and drafting the guy in the 3rd round have made that impossible.