Lebron sucks

[Chubby]

LT and Taylor are older players past their primes looking for a championship. Lebron is 26 or so and is a top 2-3 player(if not the best). I don't see the comparison?

WTF does age matter? As FA your #1 goal is to put yourself in the best position to 1. Make $$ and 2. win championships. Doesnt matter if you are 25 or 35. It's a stupid argument to say a 24 year old cant do that as a FA but an old FA can.

As a sports fan you know very well, no championships are just handed to you. Not even the infamous lets buy our rings Yankees are gauranteed anything. Hence 2010.

The Miami Heat has the biggest bullseye on their back as any team in any sport has seen in a long time. The pressure to perform is greater for Lebron in Miami then any other team he could have chosen.

Again the handed a championship or easy championship argument is lazy.
Chubbs

 

[X-Pacolypse]

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Chubby]

pretty much

 

[nyjunc]

WTF does age matter? As FA your #1 goal is to put yourself in the best position to 1. Make $$ and 2. win championships. Doesnt matter if you are 25 or 35. It's a stupid argument to say a 24 year old cant do that as a FA but an old FA can.

As a sports fan you know very well, no championships are just handed to you. Not even the infamous lets buy our rings Yankees are gauranteed anything. Hence 2010.

The Miami Heat has the biggest bullseye on their back as any team in any sport has seen in a long time. The pressure to perform is greater for Lebron in Miami then any other team he could have chosen.

Again the handed a championship or easy championship argument is lazy.
Chubbs

Lebron is in his prime w/ a team built around him that easily could have won titles in the last couple of years if he played like he was capable of. Yoy are comparing that to two old, over the hill guys that were just trying to latch onto a potential champ at the ends of their careers. The comparions makes absolutely no sense.

Nothing is guaranteed but in Lebron's mind it's guaranteed. He took the easy way out. He didn't want to try to lead a team to a championship, he wanted to hop on the back of Wade. He's not a competitior the way the all time greats are, could you see Jordan leaving Chicago b/c he couldn't beat Bos or Det early in his career? of course not. It's his decision and he's sleeping on a huge pile of money either way but his legacy is tranished. he may not care about that now but some day he will.

 

[WVDolphan]

It took ARod until his 6th season w/ the Yanks so hopefulyl it takes Lebron as long.

Difference is Junc, that the Yankees were actually the best team a couple of times in those 6 years.

Lebron has gone to a team that isnt the best. They still arent better than the Lakers. He is going to have a more difficult time winning a championship than Aroid did.

 

[Chubby]

Lebron is in his prime w/ a team built around him that easily could have won titles in the last couple of years if he played like he was capable of. Yoy are comparing that to two old, over the hill guys that were just trying to latch onto a potential champ at the ends of their careers. The comparions makes absolutely no sense.

Nothing is guaranteed but in Lebron's mind it's guaranteed. He took the easy way out. He didn't want to try to lead a team to a championship, he wanted to hop on the back of Wade. He's not a competitior the way the all time greats are, could you see Jordan leaving Chicago b/c he couldn't beat Bos or Det early in his career? of course not. It's his decision and he's sleeping on a huge pile of money either way but his legacy is tranished. he may not care about that now but some day he will.

Yes Lebron is in his prime, but to say he had a team built around him that easily could have won championships is very very debatable. And if it could have been so easy then wouldn't the easy way out been just to stay in Cleveland? Which one is it?

Again your argument of Lebron not wanting to lead a team or knowing what on Lebron's mind is absurd.

Imo, he has alot more pressure to win in Miami then he ever would have had in Cleveland, NY or Chicacgo. So no he didnt take the easy way out, on the contrary he took the much tougher road on his way to a championship.
Chubbs

 

[Chubby]

Lebron coming to Miami is no different then Bart Scott going to the Jets or Dansby going to the Dolphins or Reggie White going to the Packers or insert any FA going to any team.

Its no different with Lebron then any other FA in any sport.
Chubbs

 

[nyjunc]

Difference is Junc, that the Yankees were actually the best team a couple of times in those 6 years.

Lebron has gone to a team that isnt the best. They still arent better than the Lakers. He is going to have a more difficult time winning a championship than Aroid did.

When you pair up Lebron w/ the other 2 you know that team is the best on paper.

Talent wise they are better than the Lakers w/ those 3 but the lakers are a better team for now.

It's going to be much easier to win a title than it was for ARod.

Yes Lebron is in his prime, but to say he had a team built around him that easily could have won championships is very very debatable. And if it could have been so easy then wouldn't the easy way out been just to stay in Cleveland? Which one is it?

Again your argument of Lebron not wanting to lead a team or knowing what on Lebron's mind is absurd.

Imo, he has alot more pressure to win in Miami then he ever would have had in Cleveland, NY or Chicacgo. So no he didnt take the easy way out, on the contrary he took the much tougher road on his way to a championship.
Chubbs

Easy as far as not being crisicized? yep, but not easy as far as winning a title. Most great players want to put a team on their back and be the reason their team wins. he hopped on Wade's back.

More pressure to win but that's b/c they should win the title every year w/ that talent. That's GOOD pressure.

Lebron coming to Miami is no different then Bart Scott going to the Jets or Dansby going to the Dolphins or Reggie White going to the Packers or insert any FA going to any team.

Its no different with Lebron then any other FA in any sport.
Chubbs

You are comparing Bart and Dansby to lebron? Why not throw Richie Incognito in there too?

Reggie White was on an elite level like Lebron but football is completely different. One player in basketabll can change everything, as great as Reggie was Philly didn't lose much when he left.

 

[Chubby]

You are comparing Bart and Dansby to lebron? Why not throw Richie Incognito in there too?

Reggie White was on an elite level like Lebron but football is completely different. One player in basketabll can change everything, as great as Reggie was Philly didn't lose much when he left.

You can throw anybody you like into that formula. My point is Lebron is no Different then any other FA in any sport who changed teams. And its lazy and easy to just say Lebron is taking the easy way out when its a much more difficult route.

Yes it will be harder for him to win here. The Miami Heat now have to be on top of their game every single night, because every team is bring their a+ game agains them.

And just as an FYI, this team will be riding the season as much on Lebron's back as it is on Wade's. Maybe even more on Lebron's then Wade's. I love Wade but Wade is very very streaky, even more then Lebron. He is either on or he is really off.

Lebron will also be the one on the floor most likely in lineups where Wade and Bosh arent to keep a constant scoring threat on the court. Where Wade will see alot more time with both Lebron or Bosh on the field.
Chubbs

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

Lebron coming to Miami is no different then Bart Scott going to the Jets or Dansby going to the Dolphins or Reggie White going to the Packers or insert any FA going to any team.

Its no different with Lebron then any other FA in any sport.
Chubbs

come on man, u seem to know ur stuff pretty well, but that's an absurd comment. i mean, ya technically all those guys were free agents, but are you really going to compare 2 linebackers in football, to arguably the most talented player in a sport where the league is marketed by stars, in his prime leaving his hometown to join 1 player who is a top 5 player in the NBA, and another who is top 20, maybe better?

its not close, Lebron James always talks about how he wants to be compared to Michael Jordan, his legacy, etc, by going to Miami, where it is wades team, he can win 4 championships their, and although that would be considered a real success for that heat team , he would prob be remembered more if he would have stayed in Cleveland and won 1 or 2.

u cant compare arguably the biggest marketed athlete in the world right now, in a sport where its all about superstars, in his prime, leaving town, compared to a guy like Karlos Dansby who is just another very good linebacker, and Bart Scott who is decent.

 

[Chubby]

come on man, u seem to know ur stuff pretty well, but that's an absurd comment. i mean, ya technically all those guys were free agents, but are you really going to compare 2 linebackers in football, to arguably the most talented player in a sport where the league is marketed by stars, in his prime leaving his hometown to join 1 player who is a top 5 player in the NBA, and another who is top 20, maybe better?

its not close, Lebron James always talks about how he wants to be compared to Michael Jordan, his legacy, etc, by going to Miami, where it is wades team, he can win 4 championships their, and although that would be considered a real success for that heat team , he would prob be remembered more if he would have stayed in Cleveland and won 1 or 2.

u cant compare arguably the biggest marketed athlete in the world right now, in a sport where its all about superstars, in his prime, leaving town, compared to a guy like Karlos Dansby who is just another very good linebacker, and Bart Scott who is decent.

Your missing my point, it doesnt matter who he is or what sport they play. FA's in every sport go through the same thought process and make the same type of decision. I was just throwing out names for the sake of throwing out names.

You and JUNC are the ones putting Lebron in a different class then everyone else when in reality he isnt. Is he a bettter athlete or "best" athlete in his sport? Sure, but he was a FA just like anyone else. To clasify what he is allowed to do or not allowed to do during his FA period is nothing short of ridiculous.

Some people try to make it seem like Lebron has no compettive spirit and just wants to ride Wade's shirt tail. Or that he is not brave enough to fight for a championship on his own. When in reality he will have to up his game unto an even higher level to keep up with the bullets that have been and will continue to fly his way and the way of the heat over the next years to come.

Chubbs

 

[nyjunc]

You can throw anybody you like into that formula. My point is Lebron is no Different then any other FA in any sport who changed teams. And its lazy and easy to just say Lebron is taking the easy way out when its a much more difficult route.

Yes it will be harder for him to win here. The Miami Heat now have to be on top of their game every single night, because every team is bring their a+ game agains them.

And just as an FYI, this team will be riding the season as much on Lebron's back as it is on Wade's. Maybe even more on Lebron's then Wade's. I love Wade but Wade is very very streaky, even more then Lebron. He is either on or he is really off.

Lebron will also be the one on the floor most likely in lineups where Wade and Bosh arent to keep a constant scoring threat on the court. Where Wade will see alot more time with both Lebron or Bosh on the field.
Chubbs

He is different b/c he is a top 2-3 player in the game, a guy that one day could end up as a top 2-3 player ALL-TIME. Those guys are different and held to a different standard.

If Miami brings their A game they are winning so opponents bringing it means little. I heard all offseason how the Jets wouldn't be very good b/c opponents would bring their A games b/c of all the talk. It's nonsense, you'd rather be in that position than the position Cle was the last couple of years.

 

[Chubby]

He is different b/c he is a top 2-3 player in the game, a guy that one day could end up as a top 2-3 player ALL-TIME. Those guys are different and held to a different standard.

If Miami brings their A game they are winning so opponents bringing it means little. I heard all offseason how the Jets wouldn't be very good b/c opponents would bring their A games b/c of all the talk. It's nonsense, you'd rather be in that position than the position Cle was the last couple of years.

Why are they held to a different standard? Either they are great or they are not great, is he any less great because he is playing with another good/great player?

I though his situation in Cleveland was great as per your previous post. I thought you said he had a team built around him in Cleveland that could easily win several championships?

So wouldnt that cowardly thing have been for him to do was put his tail between his legs to appease people like you and stay in cleveland?
Chubbs

 

[nyjunc]

Why are they held to a different standard? Either they are great or they are not great, is he any less great because he is playing with another good/great player?

I though his situation in Cleveland was great as per your previous post. I thought you said he had a team built around him in Cleveland that could easily win several championships?

So wouldnt that cowardly thing have been for him to do was put his tail between his legs to appease people like you and stay in cleveland?
Chubbs

He had a team capable of winning a title w/ him as their leader which would have been more satisfying and made his legacy greater than hopping on the back of Wade.

The cowardly thing was to go to a ready made championship caliber team as a #2 guy b/c he couldn't take the pressure of being a #1.

 

[Chubby]

He had a team capable of winning a title w/ him as their leader which would have been more satisfying and made his legacy greater than hopping on the back of Wade.

The cowardly thing was to go to a ready made championship caliber team as a #2 guy b/c he couldn't take the pressure of being a #1.

How do you know what is more satisying or he couldn't take the pressure of being #1?

IMO, he has more pressure now then he would have if he stayed in Cleveland. And after seeing the way the Cleveland owner acted, is this a character you want to play for? How many FA's want to play for Cleveland, even when Lebron was there. It was obvious the man wanted out.

So if he was leaving regardless doesnt it make sense, that maybe just maybe it will be just as satisying winning a championship with a good friend as it would be in cleveland as you stated?

Again, your argument that he took the easy way out and that he cant handle the pressure of being #1 is absurd.
Chubbs