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LeGone/Positive or negative for Dolphins and Miami sports landscape

Ugh, I was hoping this thread would go away in the first page, but it is a significant thing to go down in So. Fla. sports. I'm going to just go ahead and add to it because, **** it. It's going to be a long one because, well once again, **** it.

First, a preface with as level-headed of a discussion possible of what LeBron brought to this city:
He had a huge economic impact on Miami, specifically near the downtown area. For one person to come to a city and bring that much excitement and revenue and hype and championships is incredible. Bars were packed, television ratings were sky-high, attendance at games was insanity for South Florida sporting events. It attracted huge names like Beckham to consider building a stadium with LeBron as one of the contributors. It gave people a reason to celebrate and take time out of their nights after working long days to sit back and feel like they were behind something that was nationally recognized for it's historical importance in a sport. Heat fans had bragging rights. Miami had bragging rights. He brought the bandwagon fans, the die-hard fans, and the haters all at once. And, most importantly, for ****ing once, Miami was the center of attention for mostly positive things for 4 years. ****, the closest thing the Dolphins brought to the Heat was their "Call me Maybe" video that garnered 20 million views on youtube. Even then that's still less than half of the 47.9 Million views for the Heat's "Harlem Shake." I for one, was born and raised a Miami sports fan. Die-hard to the core. I'm upset as a fan that "we suck again." But the man made the right decision for himself. He decided to tackle a bigger challenge and bring a championship to the desolate city of Cleveland that has been the butt of jokes for eternity in the sports world. I wish him the best and thank him for letting me and Miami sports fans experience a team that was a legitimate title contender for 4 seasons. The stories Dolfans talk about when it comes to the '71-'73 Dolphins are the stories I will talk about for the 2010-2014 Miami Heat for future generations. No matter what anyone around says about "bought vs. built" and whatever the **** else bull**** argument they want to bring up, as a die-hard fan, these past 4 years have easily trumped any other sporting experience in my life.

Now, onto the Dolphins:
Unfortunately, I, as well as the majority of this board, were born into a generation where the Dolphins went from possible contenders every season during the Marino era to being the laughing stock of the league. This has always been a football town for the most part, but there was an inevitable shift in that perception, not solely because of the LeBron show, but because of the Dolphins themselves.

Here are some reasons:
Being picked 31st in preseason polls even after being in playoff contention and upgrading the team. Being picked to lose every single game even against ****ty opponents. Suspensions, team melt-downs, 1-14 season, 13 ****ING CONSECUTIVE SEASONS WITHOUT A PLAYOFF VICTORY! From 1966 to 2004 the Dolphins had 5 seasons going under .500. Since 2004 the Dolphins have gone under .500 seven (7) times. In the past decade, the team has been the worst it has ever been in the 48 year history of the team. We are on our 7th coach and 13th quarterback since 2004. Average pickups in the drafts. Overpaying for players who were utilized in head smashingly stupid ways. Underdeveloped draft picks. A ****ing eternal churning of the tide with bull**** upon bull**** all washing ashore while watching our division rival thrive with their own HOF QB. I think I made my point. It's sucked. Badly. It still does. The Dolphins have been a joke for the rest of the NFL to point and laugh at. The best I've got based solely on recent memory is that at least we aren't the Bills.

Alas, I bleed Aqua and Orange:
That **** sucks as a fan who puts his sweat, tears and heart into every game even when you don't expect them to win. No team has ever hurt me as much as the Dolphins have. ****, no person on earth has ever hurt me as much as the Dolphins have. But I still love them and can't wait for a moment to feel like a true championship threat again. It will be tenfold of anything the Heat ever gave me if the Dolphins win a championship in my lifetime. The Marino years are always going to be treasured. They were exciting, you knew we had a chance every season. The Jimmy era was also fun with a smash-mouth defense. Playoff contenders every year even through the end of the Wanny era. The endless what ifs with Marino and a run game or Marino with any serviceable defense. Those thoughts will always run through all our minds. Even to this day, with all the recent bull**** aside, the Dolphins are a historically storied franchise that are in the midst of some gut-wrenching times plagued by mismanagement and "what-ifs". But even now, the Dolphins really are the foundation of the South Florida sports scene; just that now, they are no longer the face of the scene.

LeBron leaving Miami does nothing for the Dolphins. The Dolphins are the only thing that should actually affect the Dolphins. Realistically that may not be true. However, put consecutive winning teams and playoff contenders out on the field as often as possible and this so-called "dark era" of Dolphins history becomes but a blip in list of accomplishments for the franchise. It's tough for younger generations to get into the Dolphins because they have not experienced the past version of the Dolphins. Since Marino retired, the Marlins won a World Series and the Heat have won 3 NBA Finals. Now with no LeBron, the best coverage we will get in So. Fla. will be about the middling Marlins, who have a fun young team, and a Dolphins team being underdogs in a bull**** AFC with weak teams.

In conclusion . . .
there is no positive or negative, it is exactly as it was for the South Florida sports scene for the past 10 years or so. Our biggest "celebrity" in Miami is a butt-hurt Wade and Pat Riley's hair. Talking to non-sports fans, they know who Wade is, they know Riley, and a lot of them know who Arison is. Ask those same people about the Dolphins and they will tell you that that Ryan Tannyhill's wife is hot and that bully-gate happened. That is, until the Dolphins prove that they deserve to be the face of South Florida sports again. Until the Dolphins put a team out there that attracts the bandwaggoners and brings the haters to hate on us, they will never be fully embraced by more people in the city and around the nation except for their die-hard fan base. Dolphins have a chance to change the community and nation's perception of who they are, or they take the risk of going from a historically great franchise to a historically mediocre franchise.

Bring a winning team and environment and the glory shall follow.
 
I go two ways on this. Maimi is a very split city.

You have the huge bandwagon elements who would jump on the wagon for w.e that hockey team is called if they were winning and trendy. These guys get a lot of PR and there is a lot of them, every sports town has these twats but Miami has an unusually big amount of them.


Then there's the other group nobody ever talks about. The folks who turn up at dolphins training camp in the rain to watch binns go up against will Davis. The guys who turn up in a 3/4's empty stadium to watch the canes. Those guys rock and get no appreciation. When the fins and canes ( marlins and the rest) get back to the bug time I will be really pleased for those guys.

All the same, if you don't start next season well I bet the heat hype doesn't last too long on wqam etc lol

I mean part of the reason the Heat became the "it" team in South Florida is because we were guaranteed a winning team with Lebron, a rarity in recent years in South Florida. The "core" fan still is primarily with the Dolphins, but the Heat certainly has gotten a following that they did not have pre Lebron. The Shaq era brought the real bandwagon fans to the Heat . . . the Lebron era has that too, but this era IMO also will result in more Heat fans gained.
 
I mean part of the reason the Heat became the "it" team in South Florida is because we were guaranteed a winning team with Lebron, a rarity in recent years in South Florida. The "core" fan still is primarily with the Dolphins, but the Heat certainly has gotten a following that they did not have pre Lebron. The Shaq era brought the real bandwagon fans to the Heat . . . the Lebron era has that too, but this era IMO also will result in more Heat fans gained.

The Heat bandwagon fans began with Zo, Tiny Tim, and some epic battles with the Knicks. As I have been around for all Heat teams. there was actually more passion for that team than this one, as it was a different kind of fan. The Wade/Shaq team was the most special for the first time parade which I was at.
 
I'm an NFL guy and a Dolphins guy. I'm not much of an NBA guy. But, I would observe this. The NFL is an arrogant league and maybe there is a reason for this. But they better watch it. This is what we have have seen under Goodell's watch:

1) A monster collective bargaining battle with players that was a blood bath;
2) Constant lawsuits with ex players;
3) Tons of battles with the populace in various munipalities over new stadia;
4) The spectre of head injuries;
5) Being out of step on drug suspensions;
6) A work force out of control in terms of violence and arrests;
7) NFL players are woefully unprepared for life as most have nonguarantees and end up broke and many injured, walking around with canes and the like; and
8) The possibility of overexposure as the league wants to be on most nights.

Meanwhile, the NBA just had the hottest hot stove July they ever had. The NBA has had every one riveted in July. The league treats its ex players well instead of being embroiled in lawsuits all the time. They have a ton of young stars and just had a great new draft. Clippers just sold for $ 2 bill. NBA is doing a better job globally.

The NFL is king. But you can't just be arrogant forever and hide your head in the sand. One of the main problems is the NFL PR has been horrendous under Goodell and his arrogant regime. The players are both not talen care of and poorly behaved. The league doesn't take care of its own. There are systemic and fundamental problems you don't see in the NBA. The NFL has real problems and they may increasingly manifest themselves in ways that will work to the NBA's advantage especially on a global scale. Watch as the NBA values soar. If I were an investor, I'd invest NBA.
The other key thing emerging from the Goodell dynasty is the successful focus on generating incredible profits. Most owners are now billionaires and the NFL will do anything to increase revenues. Commissioner Goodell talks a good game about defending the shield but he will do anything for the owners. I understand that that includes dragging out the Draft to 4 days to generate more TV income. It includes transplanting a team to London in the quest to get Europeans to spend money on NFL products, etc. Demand for NFL is insatiable and the fans will pay for everything.
Roger earned his $44M salary last year.
 
Watch for the Heat to take it on the chin for two years, add a couple of good picks, and have a ton of money available to0 play high stake FA poker in 2016 with Durant, Rose, etc.

I'm a Heat fanatic from their birth, and have no hard feelings whatsoever with James going home, just thankful for a GREAT 4 year ride and the memories. Wish him all the best.

I don't think Durant leaves OKC for anywhere other than his hometown DC - he is a loyal guy who likes the small town vibe in OKC. No chance he comes to Miami.
 
The Heat bandwagon fans began with Zo, Tiny Tim, and some epic battles with the Knicks. As I have been around for all Heat teams. there was actually more passion for that team than this one, as it was a different kind of fan. The Wade/Shaq team was the most special for the first time parade which I was at.

I have always had the Heat as my second favorite team since they began. But yes, I always loved those Heat/ Knicks battles (Pacers/ Knicks at that time also). I was on board with Wade the day they drafted him and it was a real pleasure watching the most underrated player in the NBA, at that time, dominate. I haven't really given much thought to the Lebron era. Seems like anymore, if you don't have one of the top 5 players in the NBA you don't have a shot, not a very entertaining sport for me of late. The days of a competitive league are long and gone.
 
The Heat bandwagon fans began with Zo, Tiny Tim, and some epic battles with the Knicks. As I have been around for all Heat teams. there was actually more passion for that team than this one, as it was a different kind of fan. The Wade/Shaq team was the most special for the first time parade which I was at.

I can agree with this . . . except I actually believe that is where the Heat actually gained the most "real fans" . . . many of today's "core" fan came on board the bandwagon during the Zo/Hardaway days and I think we could see something similar with a successful post Lebron Heat team of Bosh/Wade and others. I tell you if that team and a group of younger players play some good ball and fight during the season and make the playoffs, the crowd will be no less than what we've seen over the last 4 years.

Shaq/Wade first title maybe the most special to some but I feel comfortable saying that it was also the era that had the most "bandwagon fans".

Favorite team though? 2003 Heat team . . . Wade's first season. I loved him at Marquette and that year, that team was IMO the most fun Heat team I've gotten to witness in my lifetime (although the 2012-2013 Heat team is of course right there also)
 
I have always had the Heat as my second favorite team since they began. But yes, I always loved those Heat/ Knicks battles (Pacers/ Knicks at that time also). I was on board with Wade the day they drafted him and it was a real pleasure watching the most underrated player in the NBA, at that time, dominate. I haven't really given much thought to the Lebron era. Seems like anymore, if you don't have one of the top 5 players in the NBA you don't have a shot, not a very entertaining sport for me of late. The days of a competitive league are long and gone.

The Zo/Tim era was oh so different than today's game. If the Heat-Knicks games were played today, they would have a problem in keeping 5 guys on the floor to finish the game. :)
 
I can agree with this . . . except I actually believe that is where the Heat actually gained the most "real fans" . . . many of today's "core" fan came on board the bandwagon during the Zo/Hardaway days and I think we could see something similar with a successful post Lebron Heat team of Bosh/Wade and others. I tell you if that team and a group of younger players play some good ball and fight during the season and make the playoffs, the crowd will be no less than what we've seen over the last 4 years.

Shaq/Wade first title maybe the most special to some but I feel comfortable saying that it was also the era that had the most "bandwagon fans".

Favorite team though? 2003 Heat team . . . Wade's first season. I loved him at Marquette and that year, that team was IMO the most fun Heat team I've gotten to witness in my lifetime (although the 2012-2013 Heat team is of course right there also)

Agree, Fans of late were so spoiled that the regular season did not matter. It was just waiting for the second round of the playoffs.
 
I do think that Zocshould have curbed stomped JVG in "that" game.
 
Hoping the dolphins can get into the playoffs and tannehill can be the city's best. Heat should remain eastern contenders for the time being, but I'm not sure any team in the east can take the west for the next year or so. Thanks LeBron for spoiling the city and the fans, good luck with your family and friends, but its a battle now.
 
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