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Main reason not to start Tannehill: the WR's

Wildbill3 said:
Fans care about stats, Not Good QBs, Not Coaches, Not Gms. We're doing the same thing here that the browns are going to try with Weeden. building from the center out. which makes the most sense having great Wrs, and then having a ****ty line and the qb doesn't have time to throw the ball? ideally you'd put the Qb out there with probowl talent all around him, but no team outside of a few dynasties has that luxury.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/04/browns-backing-in-to-wide-receiver-improvement/
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Im a fan that cares about wins...but we aren't getting many this year. From what I know, Tanny was brought in not to start this year, but to be the guy of the future....now things start going to hell and we are going to throw him in? I think its mistake...no I dont think we will ever have the perfect scenario to throw a rookie QB in....but one TD in the 1st preseason game is not going to make the FO push him in bc us fans have nothing else to look forward to this season.
 
NYinBostonFin said:
Im a fan that cares about wins...but we aren't getting many this year. From what I know, Tanny was brought in not to start this year, but to be the guy of the future....now things start going to hell and we are going to throw him in? I think its mistake...no I dont think we will ever have the perfect scenario to throw a rookie QB in....but one TD in the 1st preseason game is not going to make the FO push him in bc us fans have nothing else to look forward to this season.
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we don't win many games this year with or without tannehill. but you start him next year, you lose valuable development time (I'm buying what hoops is selling) because if they aren't dodging real bullets they aren't getting used to the real speed of the nfl. practice is practice but nothing is more valueable than real game experience. Does it really make sense that one of the biggest knocks on Tannehill is lack of game experience and you'd have him sit on the bench?
 
Wildbill3 said:
we don't win many games this year with or without tannehill. but you start him next year, you lose valuable development time (I'm buying what hoops is selling) because if they aren't dodging real bullets they aren't getting used to the real speed of the nfl. practice is practice but nothing is more valueable than real game experience. Does it really make sense that one of the biggest knocks on Tannehill is lack of game experience and you'd have him sit on the bench?
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Yes...you dont put someone in right away getting used to the speed of the NFL

Want to start him midseason? Makes more sense....esp when our first game is Houston, who has an above avg defense.
 
You think Dan Marino gave a **** who he was throwing the ball to? It doesn't matter if you find a great one, they make the receivers better.

The Manning brothers handled starting out of the gate, Marino handled it, either way the kid will have it or he will not, when he starts will not matter.
 
SabanHater said:
A good QB makes players around him better. Absolutely start him.
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Dont take this offensively, but i hate cliche's like this. Sure good qb's do make players better in the sense that they provide confidence, have the ability to put the ball in ideal spots,

but a qb isnt going to help a receiver learn how to seperate or burn his db. If no one is open, what can the qb do?
 
You start whoever the best player is....and so far that has been Tannehill. Now, if he gets reps against the 1s all week and doesn't perform as well as Moore, or craps the bed against Carolinas 1s then yeah..maybe you start Moore until they think he is ready. But if has a good week of practice...and looks like he belongs against Carolina then by all means play the kid. The receivers were a huge question mark with or without Chad Johnson. People who thought he was going to come in and put up a ridiculous season were delusional.
 
NYinBostonFin said:
Yes...you dont put someone in right away getting used to the speed of the NFL

Want to start him midseason? Makes more sense....esp when our first game is Houston, who has an above avg defense.
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You put your best Qb in there period. right now, it's preseason and if it's close between moore and tannehill you start tannehill.

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MiamiNative0722 said:
Dont take this offensively, but i hate cliche's like this. Sure good qb's do make players better in the sense that they provide confidence, have the ability to put the ball in ideal spots,

but a qb isnt going to help a receiver learn how to seperate or burn his db. If no one is open, what can the qb do?
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dump off to bush, clay or fasano or run the ball or throw it away. Just what any qb in our system should do. Anything but take a sack.
 
Tannehill played well but I'm in the minority that dont think he's ready to start. Friday night he played against #2 and #3 players, and he played against a defense that didnt game plan. He went to his primary receiver on every throw and wasnt pressured at all. I'm not knocking Tannehill at all, but he really hasnt been tested imo. He played well, but I think I need to see more. Its going to be a whole lot different when he plays a defense that game plans, when they bait him into an interception, when he has to do a 2 minute drill, or he gets sacked.
 
Zounds said:
Tannehill played well but I'm in the minority that dont think he's ready to start. Friday night he played against #2 and #3 players, and he played against a defense that didnt game plan. He went to his primary receiver on every throw and wasnt pressured at all. I'm not knocking Tannehill at all, but he really hasnt been tested imo. He played well, but I think I need to see more. Its going to be a whole lot different when he plays a defense that game plans, when they bait him into an interception, when he has to do a 2 minute drill, or he gets sacked.
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I don't think any of us are saying he's ready to start game one of the season. YET. Those of us who are reasonable have said... he's shown enough to deserve a shot with the 1s in practice and certainly I think he deserves a shot with the 1s in the next preseason game.

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and what if he makes a mistake and gets baited into an INT ... In preseason? as long as he's learning and not regressing I'm not going to care about an Int in preseason.
 
Wildbill3 said:
You put your best Qb in there period. right now, it's preseason and if it's close between moore and tannehill you start tannehill.---------- Post added at 12:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:19 PM ----------

dump off to bush, clay or fasano or run the ball or throw it away. Just what any qb in our system should do. Anything but take a sack.
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That I will agree with....I just can't believe Moore isn't getting the initial separation as the better QB.
 
Wildbill3 said:
I don't think any of us are saying he's ready to start game one of the season. YET. Those of us who are reasonable have said... he's shown enough to deserve a shot with the 1s in practice and certainly I think he deserves a shot with the 1s in the next preseason game.

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and what if he makes a mistake and gets baited into an INT ... In preseason? as long as he's learning and not regressing I'm not going to care about an Int in preseason.
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I misunderstood. I thought people were talking about starting him in the regular seaon. He's already been getting work with the #1's in practice even before froday's game.
 
sharp said:
Your not putting him into a position to succeed thats for sure if you throw him out there, I think some of the younger guys have talent sure, but your really stretching to say a bunch of 6-7th round picks and UDFA are going to be quality pros

I think he played well in limited time with wallace pruitt moore, we have to hope one or two of the young guys really steps up or its going to be very tough to run and pass
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OK sharp, lets review . . . we have one other option at QB right now, right? If Moore starts with our so-called crappy WR core, is HE likely to win games? Won't Moore look like crap too with such a terrible group of receivers, no matter how well he plays? And if, because of the the crappy receiving core, Moore is not winning games, what would you do as head coach? Leave him out there with the crappy receivers to CONTINUE to lose games? OR, maybe put a rookie QB in who's shown he might be able to play at a high level regardless of having crappy receivers, thus allowing him to develop a connection with the starting crappy receivers we have?

The thing is, your options are all negative. If we do it your way, we can give up on the season right now, IF our WR core is as bad as you say it is. Does it appear to you that our coaching staff agrees with you? From what I've seen they don't at all. We are nowhere near the point where we should give up on winning GAMES this season. How about letting us play a few games before we start giving up? Would that be OK with you sharp?
 
ATL_PHIN_FAN said:
OK sharp, lets review . . . we have one other option at QB right now, right? If Moore starts with our so-called crappy WR core, is HE likely to win games? Won't Moore look like crap too with such a terrible group of receivers, no matter how well he plays? And if, because of the the crappy receiving core, Moore is not winning games, what would you do as head coach? Leave him out there with the crappy receivers to CONTINUE to lose games? OR, maybe put a rookie QB in who's shown he might be able to play at a high level regardless of having crappy receivers, thus allowing him to develop a connection with the starting crappy receivers we have?

The thing is, your options are all negative. If we do it your way, we can give up on the season right now, IF our WR core is as bad as you say it is. Does it appear to you that our coaching staff agrees with you? From what I've seen they don't at all. We are nowhere near the point where we should give up on winning GAMES this season. How about letting us play a few games before we start giving up? Would that be OK with you sharp?
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That wasn't the direction I was going in. No where did I say he shouldn't start. I believe he is the best QB on the roster and made a handful of throws that makes me believe that he has the capability to be what we want him to be. My post was directed towards a post which said that if the Redskins are throwing RGIII out there with crappy receiving options, then the phins should too. I was stating that if you think the Redskins receiving options are crappy, we are twice if not three times as bad at those positions. Also I'm stating that you can't really expect Tannehill to go and light it up if NaNee is the #1 WR on a team, its just not putting him into a position to be successful.

We decided not to draft a WR until really late, and half the WR core is made u of UDFA. I'm fine with the idea of potential but for this group to really excel would be legendary. Once again I was not stomping on the idea of throwing Tannehill out there, I think he can get the best out of the group, its just that the group is as limited as they come. I was attacking the WRs, not the QB. I'm not sure what my way is, since I never stated to start him or not, but if you want it my way, it was actually your way.
 
sharp said:
That wasn't the direction I was going in. No where did I say he shouldn't start. I believe he is the best QB on the roster and made a handful of throws that makes me believe that he has the capability to be what we want him to be. My post was directed towards a post which said that if the Redskins are throwing RGIII out there with crappy receiving options, then the phins should too. I was stating that if you think the Redskins receiving options are crappy, we are twice if not three times as bad at those positions. Also I'm stating that you can't really expect Tannehill to go and light it up if NaNee is the #1 WR on a team, its just not putting him into a position to be successful.

We decided not to draft a WR until really late, and half the WR core is made u of UDFA. I'm fine with the idea of potential but for this group to really excel would be legendary. Once again I was not stomping on the idea of throwing Tannehill out there, I think he can get the best out of the group, its just that the group is as limited as they come. I was attacking the WRs, not the QB. I'm not sure what my way is, since I never stated to start him or not, but if you want it my way, it was actually your way.
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Sharp, the title of this thread is Main reason not to start Tannehill: the WR's. It appears to me that your original reply to this thread agrees with and defends that sentiment. If not, what exactly ARE you advocating we do? OK, looking at your reply to me it appears that you agree that we are indeed in a pickle, with not much to lose by starting the best QB available, regardless of how good his wide receivers are?
 
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