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Martin vs. Incognito OVER... Martin vs. Philbin NEXT

Solomon Wilcots just said it best. The locker room always has and always will belong to the players and unless told specifically Philbin cannot know everything that goes on between players. Philbin clearly stated he was never once told about the harassment until he was contacted by Martin's reps Sunday.
 
Flyn....

Last month, Alyssa Roenigk wrote a fascinating article for ESPN The Magazine’s NFL preview edition detailing all the ways the Seahawks behave differently than their peers. We’re talking cognitive psychology, and lots of it. Creative visualization. Positive thinking. Daily meditation.

It was exactly the kind of article that separates ESPN The Magazine from ESPN The Channel (often mindless hype and shouting analysts), ESPN Radio (manufactured debate to appeal to the lowest common denominator) and ESPN The Masses-Baiting Juggernaut (all Tim Tebow and Tom Brady, all the time).

The article dared to be different. It asked the reader to think.

And it’s an article that should be read by every football coach, general manager, athletic director and player – from the NFL all the way down to high school.

Treat people right. Take care of your employees. Nurture them, empower them, unlock their individual gifts.

That’s the philosophy championed by Seahawks coach Pete Carroll. And while those things might seem like common sense, many football teams don’t behave that way. As the article put it, Carroll’s dream upon leaving USC to return to the NFL “was to fundamentally change the way players are coached.”

At the heart of the Seattle experiment is the theory that happy players make for better players. Screaming and swearing are discouraged. Sleep is prioritized. Players are urged to meet with support personnel if they have any problems, on or off the field. Meditation is viewed as just as important as lifting weights.

To which the old guard might respond: Umm … Anything in there about hitting somebody?

Anyone who’s been through high school two-a-days knows The Seattle Way runs counter to much of what young football players are taught. Don’t like screaming and cussing? Bleep you and your candy bleep. Got a problem off the field? Suck it up. Not getting enough sleep? Maybe some extra up-downs will awaken you.

Wilson is the perfect front man for Carroll’s team and movement. Bright, self-aware and determined, the former N.C. State and Wisconsin star is positivity personified. He didn’t need any convincing to buy in. He would have adopted many of these New Age techniques on his own; now he has teammates and coaches to join him.

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/mcfarling/2231110-12/seahawks-coach-carrolls-approach-positively-unique.html
 
Well let me put it this way. I'm going to assert -- and I could be wrong -- that some people in the building had either witnessed or knew about some of what was going on. That this treatment -- which has been going on for almost two years -- wasn't a complete mystery to everyone. People might disagree but I think that's a reasonable assertion.

What, if anything, did these people say to Philbin? If they said something, what did he do? If they said nothing... why did they say nothing? Why doesn't Philbin have a policy that any incident of this kind of nature is reported to him and investigated?

As the head coach he sets the tone. He has an overall policy of how these kinds of things are supposed to be handled and everyone feeds off of that. Either he refused to pursue the warning signs, or he was putting the line of acceptable behavior in the wrong place. That's what I'm getting at here.

If, as you say, you "could be wrong", then why make accusations you admittedly know little about?
 
The key sentence: At the heart of the Seattle experiment is the theory that happy players make for better players. Screaming and swearing are discouraged. Sleep is prioritized. Players are urged to meet with support personnel if they have any problems, on or off the field. Meditation is viewed as just as important as lifting weights.

That means it is up to the player to make the adult move of letting Philbin know what is going on. Do you disagree? Nowhere does it state Carroll is in anyone's business trying to dig through their lives.

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Broken link amigo
 
Philbin has already been stained by the incident. That type of stain doesn't was away. That allegation will stick with him.
I was the first to point out yesterday that Martin may have skillfully planning this all along once he realized that football was not his calling.
He is very intelligent despite his mental health and physical short comings. His parents were aiming for a law suit since last year IMHO.
They are going to make a huge stink, and then quietly settle with the NFL and the team. Incognito was the willing dupe in this whole affair.
Philbin and the coaches would have been the 3 blind mice if they claim that they didn't know what was going on. Plausible deniability only applies to the white house. Put all this in front of a Jury...and see what happens.
Settlement is forth coming IMHO.
 
Alot of stuff was done outside the building. paying large amounts of money for vets dinner tabs for everyone. talking thousands of dollars. I am betting he knew nothing of that or overheard some half story from across the room.

The only way I see Philbin knowing something in an official capacity is if he had a personl talk with Martin weeks or months ago. If nothing like that ever happened, good luck proving it! Including Martin.

Didn't Will Davis tweet that everyone shared the bill for that?
 
Philbin has already been stained by the incident. That type of stain doesn't was away. That allegation will stick with him.
I was the first to point out yesterday that Martin may have skillfully planning this all along once he realized that football was not his calling.
He is very intelligent despite his mental health and physical short comings. His parents were aiming for a law suit since last year IMHO.
They are going to make a huge stink, and then quietly settle with the NFL and the team. Incognito was the willing dupe in this whole affair.
Philbin and the coaches would have been the 3 blind mice if they claim that they didn't know what was going on. Put all this in front of a Jury...and see what happens.
Settlement is forth coming IMHO.

Totally disagree. The players may have all known but it's their locker room.
 
Great work. I was working late and had to drive home to get on computer to give you props. I thoroughly enjoyed your intelligent posting.

Awsi made another intelligent post which I enjoyed

I remember how effective Shula was during similar times in the mid '70s, specifically the Reese/Crowder incident. You could see the emotion on his face, the embarrassment and shock, accompanied by all the correct words, gestures and emphasis. Of course, there were never any doubts about Shula, on or off the field. He could restore pride within 30 seconds.

When I criticize the organization it's always based on the same theme, that the people holding the top roles simply aren't the caliber of the group I grew up with. When that's the case, nothing works. Flawed decisions and instincts. You fail to see what you should see, and react poorly to impromptu situations. Yesterday was a predictable joke. I still don't understand the need for that first statement, as I posted at the time. Any competent crew would understand you were hardly in a position of strength, that it was not only sensible to wait but advantageous. Their error was par for the course.

It needs to be Philbin today. And not a controlled Dawn Aponte version of Philbin. Don't hide behind phrases like ongoing investigation. We get that. There are ways to be candid and impressive outside the most specific information that we realize you can't release.

Philbin did not look good, did not look like a man who is doing the right thing.
 
The key sentence: At the heart of the Seattle experiment is the theory that happy players make for better players. Screaming and swearing are discouraged. Sleep is prioritized. Players are urged to meet with support personnel if they have any problems, on or off the field. Meditation is viewed as just as important as lifting weights.

That means it is up to the player to make the adult move of letting Philbin know what is going on. Do you disagree? Nowhere does it state Carroll is in anyone's business trying to dig through their lives.

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Broken link amigo

While Philbin can't force a adult to get help he can foster a healthy environment. I'm not saying Pete Carroll and his approach is perfect, but I think we can all agree with suicides, homicides, violent crimes , and substance abuse growing at a alarming rate maybe a new philosophy is in order.
 
So I'm sitting here watching the ESPN pregame "discussion" and all the righteous indignation offered up by the cacophony of buffoons including former junkie Chris Carter and MeShawn (two other great teammates). Watching them conveniently jump from point A to point C without ever visiting point B, hurling accusations of racism, and criminality around, as well as trying to tar Fins coaches and teammates calling out Pouncey and Tannehill by name for not stepping in has at this point made me indignant myself!

Martin I'm believing is coming off as phony as a whore's orgasm in a cat house. He's had no problem bullying and pranking other players, stealing cars and 2 weeks previously being part of the same cafeteria prank on Gardner that supposedly was the catalyst for this mess. Yeah right, and I'm about to buy your shiny bridge in Brooklyn too! It's totally bull**** how he could harass Gardner and then go ballistic under the same circumstances. It's more likely that by his legal ambulance chasers smelling blood in the water, he was advised to wait for something just like this, to theatrically create his drama, smashing the tray against the table and storming out in a hissy fit for dramatic and newsworthy effect.

Now on a number of other boards, both sports and not sports related, there's a growing suspicion that he's gay - as Jerry and George have said: "not that there's anything wrong with that." Hell, you do a google image search for him and half his pictures set off one's [strike]gad[/strike], hell you know what I'm saying. Whether he is or just merely a sensitive, susceptible soul who's not really cut out for "trench warfare" I believe he wants out with a rich pension. To that end, he's been encouraged to amass information, saving old voice mails and such in order to put his hand and his POS lawyer's hand 30-40% of the way) deep into the NFL's deep pockets. At this point everything is coming off contrived to put the Fins in the worst light - cuz sensationalism like that is what shines the brightest media light and provokes morons like the ESPN coterie who are now preaching "do as I say.. not as I once did" to paint a broad brush unloading on a whole organization by choosing to believe what's convenient and maybe dishonest.

Long way of saying at this point I'd be dishonest not to declare that I'm hoping there's some information out there that at worst neutralizes Martin revealing him as a scheming extortionist and at best reveals him as worse. What residual sympathy I've had for him is waning quickly. My head is spinning from being in Incognito's corner to Martin's to neither's in warp time speed. **** em both.

edit: now you have Ray Lewis bloviating - hell Ray, if you were a corner crack dealer instead of a high profile stud football star, you'd be pissing in steel urinals in front of your bunkmate so just STFU!
 
While Philbin can't force a adult to get help he can foster a healthy environment. I'm not saying Pete Carroll and his approach is perfect, but I think we can all agree with suicides, homicides, violent crimes , and substance abuse growing at a alarming rate maybe a new philosophy is in order.

How do we know the environment wasn't healthy before this? Why aren't others coaches doing what Carroll is doing?
 
I don't think he's gay.

I think that if Vaark's theory of 'waiting for an opportune moment' has any merit, it has a lot more to do with demotion from LT to RT than his sexuality.
 
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