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Martin vs. Incognito OVER... Martin vs. Philbin NEXT

So I'm sitting here watching the ESPN pregame "discussion" and all the righteous indignation offered up by the cacophony of buffoons including former junkie Chris Carter and MeShawn (two other great teammates). Watching them conveniently jump from point A to point C without ever visiting point B, hurling accusations of racism, and criminality around, as well as trying to tar Fins coaches and teammates calling out Pouncey and Tannehill by name for not stepping in has at this point made me indignant myself!

Martin I'm believing is coming off as phony as a whore's orgasm in a cat house. He's had no problem bullying and pranking other players, stealing cars and 2 weeks previously being part of the same cafeteria prank on Gardner that supposedly was the catalyst for this mess. Yeah right, and I'm about to buy your shiny bridge in Brooklyn too! It's totally bull**** how he could harass Gardner and then go ballistic under the same circumstances. It's more likely that by his legal ambulance chasers smelling blood in the water, he was advised to wait for something just like this, to theatrically create his drama, smashing the tray against the table and storming out in a hissy fit for dramatic and newsworthy effect.

Now on a number of other boards, both sports and not sports related, there's a growing suspicion that he's gay - as Jerry and George have said: "not that there's anything wrong with that." Hell, you do a google image search for him and half his pictures set off one's [strike]gad[/strike], hell you know what I'm saying. Whether he is or just merely a sensitive, susceptible soul who's not really cut out for "trench warfare" I believe he wants out with a rich pension. To that end, he's been encouraged to amass information, saving old voice mails and such in order to put his hand and his POS lawyer's hand 30-40% of the way) deep into the NFL's deep pockets. At this point everything is coming off contrived to put the Fins in the worst light - cuz sensationalism like that is what shines the brightest media light and provokes morons like the ESPN coterie who are now preaching "do as I say.. not as I once did" to paint a broad brush unloading on a whole organization by choosing to believe what's convenient and maybe dishonest.

Long way of saying at this point I'd be dishonest not to declare that I'm hoping there's some information out there that at worst neutralizes Martin revealing him as a scheming extortionist and at best reveals him as worse. What residual sympathy I've had for him is waning quickly. My head is spinning from being in Incognito's corner to Martin's to neither's in warp time speed. **** em both.

edit: now you have Ray Lewis bloviating - hell Ray, if you were a corner crack dealer instead of a high profile stud football star, you'd be pissing in steel urinals in front of your bunkmate so just STFU!

This story was on Wolf Blitzer earlier and is coming up on the CBS Evening News. As for ESPN, there isn't a guy on their panel I like outside of Tom Jackson. Cris Carter? Keyshawn Johnson? Berman? Ditka? Please tell me their views on everything. I must know their qualms about why we're on this earth.
 
Or what if this is common in NFL lockerrooms and Martin has an agenda here?
 
This story was on Wolf Blitzer earlier and is coming up on the CBS Evening News. As for ESPN, there isn't a guy on their panel I like outside of Tom Jackson. Cris Carter? Keyshawn Johnson? Berman? Ditka? Please tell me their views on everything. I must know their qualms about why we're on this earth.

Honestly I would not be surprised of you see the government involved at some point. With the National Anti-Bully Campaign it would be a hell of a point to eliminate bullying by those kids idolize.
 
How do we know the environment wasn't healthy before this? Why aren't others coaches doing what Carroll is doing?

You know what they say about old dogs and new tricks? But I suspect as Seattle has more success others will follow it is a copy cat league. I honestly don't see how one can argue against it? If the Army has changed the way the train Green Berets the NFL an change their ways.
 
IMO Martin is going to come out as gay and really throw a wrench in this.....how will the dolphins and the NFL handle this? How will the players deal with it? how will the rest of the league deal with it? This is something the NFL has dreaded and I think Martin will come out as the first NFL player while still playing.....talk about a freak show this could turn into....
 
I don't think we know yet whether Philbin's remark about not knowing about Martin's allegations until Sunday was a matter of giving the Dolphins CYA against Martin, the NFL, or both. It could be that Philbin is trying only to keep the Dolphins from being culpable for negligence in terms of the NFL investigation, in which case there is possibly no "Martin versus Philbin" issue.
 
This story was on Wolf Blitzer earlier and is coming up on the CBS Evening News.

This is NOT about sports or football.

It is a sociocultural agenda which is trying to ravage the Dolphins and destroy this franchise. I have said in here that the NFL does not like the Dolphins and this is part of the agenda they have against us.

75% of the mass media in this country is based in NY. jet fans.

PC-ness rules the day in all walks of life.

The NFL has certain parameters it wants franchises to follow because it believes those will be good for ticket sales and $$$. There is a HUGE one which we violated by drafting Tannehill as our franchise QB.

martin's family are all Harvard-educated lawyers.

That's as far as I will go.
 
IMO Martin is going to come out as gay and really throw a wrench in this.....how will the dolphins and the NFL handle this? How will the players deal with it? how will the rest of the league deal with it? This is something the NFL has dreaded and I think Martin will come out as the first NFL player while still playing.....talk about a freak show this could turn into....

The Dolphins spoke. The rest is out of their hands at this point.

In April, they did not do enough to prevent this.
When Martin could not take it anymore and left the team, and info was private, they called him crazy.
In the emantime, they talked to him and his parents.
When it turned out publicly he was not crazy, they acted to suspend Incognito.
Finally, they called in the NFL, and from now on it's an NFL issue.
 
If we aren't careful this is going to blow up into a Penn State investigation by the time the media gets done with this.
 
So I'm sitting here watching the ESPN pregame "discussion" and all the righteous indignation offered up by the cacophony of buffoons including former junkie Chris Carter and MeShawn (two other great teammates). Watching them conveniently jump from point A to point C without ever visiting point B, hurling accusations of racism, and criminality around, as well as trying to tar Fins coaches and teammates calling out Pouncey and Tannehill by name for not stepping in has at this point made me indignant myself!

Martin I'm believing is coming off as phony as a whore's orgasm in a cat house. He's had no problem bullying and pranking other players, stealing cars and 2 weeks previously being part of the same cafeteria prank on Gardner that supposedly was the catalyst for this mess. Yeah right, and I'm about to buy your shiny bridge in Brooklyn too! It's totally bull**** how he could harass Gardner and then go ballistic under the same circumstances. It's more likely that by his legal ambulance chasers smelling blood in the water, he was advised to wait for something just like this, to theatrically create his drama, smashing the tray against the table and storming out in a hissy fit for dramatic and newsworthy effect.

Now on a number of other boards, both sports and not sports related, there's a growing suspicion that he's gay - as Jerry and George have said: "not that there's anything wrong with that." Hell, you do a google image search for him and half his pictures set off one's [strike]gad[/strike], hell you know what I'm saying. Whether he is or just merely a sensitive, susceptible soul who's not really cut out for "trench warfare" I believe he wants out with a rich pension. To that end, he's been encouraged to amass information, saving old voice mails and such in order to put his hand and his POS lawyer's hand 30-40% of the way) deep into the NFL's deep pockets. At this point everything is coming off contrived to put the Fins in the worst light - cuz sensationalism like that is what shines the brightest media light and provokes morons like the ESPN coterie who are now preaching "do as I say.. not as I once did" to paint a broad brush unloading on a whole organization by choosing to believe what's convenient and maybe dishonest.

Long way of saying at this point I'd be dishonest not to declare that I'm hoping there's some information out there that at worst neutralizes Martin revealing him as a scheming extortionist and at best reveals him as worse. What residual sympathy I've had for him is waning quickly. My head is spinning from being in Incognito's corner to Martin's to neither's in warp time speed. **** em both.

edit: now you have Ray Lewis bloviating - hell Ray, if you were a corner crack dealer instead of a high profile stud football star, you'd be pissing in steel urinals in front of your bunkmate so just STFU!

Vaark FTMFW!
 
I'm always going to default to the most likely, to place the percentages on my side.

To that end, I'll say Martin is not gay, and that he wants to play football again.

After all, he was a football player a couple of weeks ago, right? I still haven't finished watching the tape of the Buffalo game, which was held while I was stuck outside Atlanta with car problems. I watched the first half last night, while Walrus was deciphering the identity of the idzk1994, or whatever. It was odd watching Martin and Incognito alongside, knowing what would unfold. Why should I jump to all kinds of bizarre assumptions, like Martin is aiming at a lawsuit? He's not an incompetent football player and that occupation pays well. He's young. I say he aspires to play again.

Now the tricky part. Is it advantageous for him to remain with the Dolphins, or aim somewhere else? That's not as clear cut, in terms of assigning favoritism. Lately I've been tinkering with the stock market. Quite different than what I'm accustomed to. I always know which way the number will move in sports, even if the result is a mystery. I assumed it would transfer to stocks. Not exactly. I've timed and flopped. I hate fear. The financial markets are driven by fear. Literally every day there's something to be scared of, apparently. That's why my handicapping is stressed. I know which way the fundamentals say it should move, but fear is ultra powerful. Also, what equates to normalcy? I aligned with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac a few months ago. Common. That may turn out to be a bomb. The shares have doubled since I invested. But I don't really care about that. In that case I'm not looking for a 100% profit. I'm targeting 50 or 60x. My handicapping instinct is that normalcy in that case is a release from conservatorship. I'm willing to throw away the fear, that the companies will be dissolved. Dissolved, how often does that happen?

Anyway, in Martin's case, if he evaluates correctly, I think normalcy and his best interest is to return to the Dolphins. He's not a premier player. They aren't stocked with premier guys at his position. Why shop for weakness at the position, like the agent for an undrafted kid, when he's already with a team straining for tackles? The contract is in place. Fewer variables.

Besides, not everybody hates Martin within the team. That's where I really take issue with some high profile posters and their recent themes. He may have left the team and have an unfortunate nickname but within 18 months you make friends. They are the only NFL family he knows. Now that Incognito is out of the way, players will feel comfortable speaking out against him, even if it's to Philbin and others in the organization, and not necessarily for public consumption.

That's a roundabout way of saying that I doubt Martin or his team will fire any kind of shot at Philbin or the Dolphins, tomorrow or at any point. They'll let this settle and attempt to quietly return to the fold, probably next season.
 
Well let me put it this way. I'm going to assert -- and I could be wrong -- that some people in the building had either witnessed or knew about some of what was going on. That this treatment -- which has been going on for almost two years -- wasn't a complete mystery to everyone. People might disagree but I think that's a reasonable assertion.

What, if anything, did these people say to Philbin? If they said something, what did he do? If they said nothing... why did they say nothing? Why doesn't Philbin have a policy that any incident of this kind of nature is reported to him and investigated?

As the head coach he sets the tone. He has an overall policy of how these kinds of things are supposed to be handled and everyone feeds off of that. Either he refused to pursue the warning signs, or he was putting the line of acceptable behavior in the wrong place. That's what I'm getting at here.
the Walrus? How about The Speculator? Suits you better. Hey man, can you update me on the latest soaps, too?

[video=youtube;vRLy3hV_qlY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRLy3hV_qlY[/video]
 
I'm always going to default to the most likely, to place the percentages on my side.

To that end, I'll say Martin is not gay, and that he wants to play football again.

After all, he was a football player a couple of weeks ago, right? I still haven't finished watching the tape of the Buffalo game, which was held while I was stuck outside Atlanta with car problems. I watched the first half last night, while Walrus was deciphering the identity of the idzk1994, or whatever. It was odd watching Martin and Incognito alongside, knowing what would unfold. Why should I jump to all kinds of bizarre assumptions, like Martin is aiming at a lawsuit? He's not an incompetent football player and that occupation pays well. He's young. I say he aspires to play again.

Now the tricky part. Is it advantageous for him to remain with the Dolphins, or aim somewhere else? That's not as clear cut, in terms of assigning favoritism. Lately I've been tinkering with the stock market. Quite different than what I'm accustomed to. I always know which way the number will move in sports, even if the result is a mystery. I assumed it would transfer to stocks. Not exactly. I've timed and flopped. I hate fear. The financial markets are driven by fear. Literally every day there's something to be scared of, apparently. That's why my handicapping is stressed. I know which way the fundamentals say it should move, but fear is ultra powerful. Also, what equates to normalcy? I aligned with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac a few months ago. Common. That may turn out to be a bomb. The shares have doubled since I invested. But I don't really care about that. In that case I'm not looking for a 100% profit. I'm targeting 50 or 60x. My handicapping instinct is that normalcy in that case is a release from conservatorship. I'm willing to throw away the fear, that the companies will be dissolved. Dissolved, how often does that happen?

Anyway, in Martin's case, if he evaluates correctly, I think normalcy and his best interest is to return to the Dolphins. He's not a premier player. They aren't stocked with premier guys at his position. Why shop for weakness at the position, like the agent for an undrafted kid, when he's already with a team straining for tackles? The contract is in place. Fewer variables.

Besides, not everybody hates Martin within the team. That's where I really take issue with some high profile posters and their recent themes. He may have left the team and have an unfortunate nickname but within 18 months you make friends. They are the only NFL family he knows. Now that Incognito is out of the way, players will feel comfortable speaking out against him, even if it's to Philbin and others in the organization, and not necessarily for public consumption.

That's a roundabout way of saying that I doubt Martin or his team will fire any kind of shot at Philbin or the Dolphins, tomorrow or at any point. They'll let this settle and attempt to quietly return to the fold, probably next season.
I think all that's true, with the one remaining issue for Martin being possibly the move back to right tackle. He may abhor playing that position to such a degree as to orchestrate this, and he may have realized it only after playing a game at the position again. That issue could pit Martin against the Dolphins.
 
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