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Loved cheering for Dan, the GOAT Dolphin and one of the all time legendary QBs. And I appreciate what he's meant to the franchise. It's good that Ross has reached out and is honoring this team treasure in what's essentially his professional hour of need.

It might be sacrilige to some but frankly aside from the feel-good ceremonial functions, I'd feel better knowing he's not the one in Ross's ear influencing a gullible owner. Objectively speaking while Dan was a natural instinctive savant on the football field, nothing I've seen since ranging from his interviews to his network commentary has convinced me that intellectually he's more than run-of-the mill, if that. Beyond that, he's basically inexperienced in making decisions that impact a team's performance or business operations. After a long apprenticeship, I'm not discounting the possibility he can learn through gaining insight, but as someone already pointed out, interpersonal skills and relationships have never been his strong suits.

Calling a spade a spade, does he really want to help the franchise because he needs the paycheck - and reminiscent of the last overture made by the garbageman, will he pull "a Saban " if not happy about committing the time if a bigger paycheck and easy network gig resurrects itself. Fired by CBS because of his infidelity, testimonials and ads becoming fewer and further between as he fades from public consciousness, is he really taking this job for the right reasons or because of shrinking alternative options?

I hope it works out; that intellectually he rises to the occasion to become a valued asset including honing those people skills essential in working through others, and that he's "all in," not just until an easier more visible higher paying opportunity presents itself. I'll be rooting hard for his long-term success translating into tangible franchise benefits - BUT I won't bet the farm on it happening.
 
I don't care if he's cleaning toilets, the Dolphins are a better franchise with Dan Marino. He exudes class and after he gets adjusted to his new role, I know he will make Miami a better franchise.
 
The Dolphins are bringing back Dan Marino. The team announced on Sunday that Marino has been hired to serve as a special advisor in the front office. The Hall of Famer played for the Dolphins from 1983-99.

"Dan is and will always be an important part of the Miami Dolphins and we are excited to get him involved in a more formal way," Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said in a statement. "Dan is unquestionably one of the greatest players in NFL history and his enthusiasm and passion for the Dolphins is inspiring to everyone here."

Marino worked for CBS Sports from 2002-13. The former NFL MVP will be working in the Dolphins front office for the second time. Marino also served a short stint as the team's senior vice president of football operations in 2004.

"I'm grateful for the opportunity to serve in this role," Marino said. "I have always considered myself a Dolphin for life and I look forward to supporting the organization anyway I can. Stephen Ross is a passionate guy who is committed to building a first-class, winning organization. I'm excited about the future of the team and where the organization is headed."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...s-hire-dan-marino-to-serve-as-special-advisor
 
It might be sacrilige to some but frankly aside from the feel-good ceremonial functions, I'd feel better knowing he's not the one in Ross's ear influencing a gullible owner. Objectively speaking while Dan was a natural instinctive savant on the football field, nothing I've seen since ranging from his interviews to his network commentary has convinced me that intellectually he's more than run-of-the mill, if that. Beyond that, he's basically inexperienced in making decisions that impact a team's performance or business operations. After a long apprenticeship, I'm not discounting the possibility he can learn through gaining insight, but as someone already pointed out, interpersonal skills and relationships have never been his strong suits.

Well, the story for years has been that when he was with the team for a couple of weeks in 2004, he basically left a memo saying "Rivers is the real deal, draft this kid if he falls to you." Rivers had an absolutely terrible stretch of a couple of years, but I'd say that's a pretty good evaluation.

So even though Dan isn't exactly Mr. Intellectual and Articulate, I don't know that you need to be Mr. Intellectual and Articulate to look at what's going on on a football field and be able to sift good from bad.
 
Well, the story for years has been that when he was with the team for a couple of weeks in 2004, he basically left a memo saying "Rivers is the real deal, draft this kid if he falls to you." Rivers had an absolutely terrible stretch of a couple of years, but I'd say that's a pretty good evaluation.

So even though Dan isn't exactly Mr. Intellectual and Articulate, I don't know that you need to be Mr. Intellectual and Articulate to look at what's going on on a football field and be able to sift good from bad.

Rivers is either the best or the second best QB to have never won a SB.
 
Well, the story for years has been that when he was with the team for a couple of weeks in 2004, he basically left a memo saying "Rivers is the real deal, draft this kid if he falls to you." Rivers had an absolutely terrible stretch of a couple of years, but I'd say that's a pretty good evaluation.

So even though Dan isn't exactly Mr. Intellectual and Articulate, I don't know that you need to be Mr. Intellectual and Articulate to look at what's going on on a football field and be able to sift good from bad.

I quite remember this also. He was very involved when he worked for us it seemed that his decision to not stay with us before came out of some issues with family.
Not to mention people seem to pimp a certain ex players opinions and easily ignore some of the idiotic stuff they say.
I remember one former Qb saying that Beck was better than any prospect in the 2008 draft and many on the board running with that statement.

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Rivers is either the best or the second best QB to have never won a SB.

I would say Jim Kelly
 
I quite remember this also. He was very involved when he worked for us it seemed that his decision to not stay with us before came out of some issues with family.
Not to mention people seem to pimp a certain ex players opinions and easily ignore some of the idiotic stuff they say.
I remember one former Qb saying that Beck was better than any prospect in the 2008 draft and many on the board running with that statement.

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I would say Jim Kelly

1. Marino
2. Kelly
3. Rivers
 
1. Marino
2. Kelly
3. Rivers

Not sure if I go with Rivers whom I like a lot.
Dan Fouts,and Ken Anderson both deserve consideration as well as Warren Moon
Almost forgot Fran Tarkenton. As of now I would probably rank them above Rivers
 
Rivers is either the best or the second best QB to have never won a SB.

Marino is far and away the best quarterback not to win a Super Bowl. After him comes Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts and especially Fran Tarketon in a group. Then comes Warren Moon. All of the above are Hall of Famers, by the way.

The best comparison for Rivers is probably Boomer Esiason. People forget Boomer was actually NFL MVP one year -- Rivers hasn't been, he's never even been named All-Pro -- and made a Super Bowl (nearly beating the 49ers). He's not in the HOF and doesn't deserve to be, but he was a top flight guy for a while. That's the level Rivers is at.

There's a natural tendency to overrate modern players but let's not forget that Rivers -- unlike Marino -- has had top tier help. LaDanian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates are both future Hall of Famers whereas the only Hall of Famer that Marino played with -- on either side of the ball -- is Dwight Stephenson, who retired after being injured in 1987.

Frankly I'm not sure whether Rivers will even make the Hall of Fame if he doesn't win the Super Bowl (Montana's comeback in the '88 Super Bowl is probably what's kept Boomer out, tbh). You look at the contemporaries from Rivers' class -- Eli and Big Ben -- and both of them have two Super Bowl rings. The only quarterback class I know that has three guys in the hall is '83, to give you an idea of the odds.

When I look at guys from this era Brady and Manning and Brees are shoe-ins. Aaron Rodgers is heading that way if he can put together at least three more seasons at top flight level. Then there are guys like Eli and Roethlisberger, like I said. There's only one quarterback who won two Super Bowls who isn't in the Hall -- Jim Plunkett of the Raiders -- and that's because he started both of his Super Bowl years as a backup and the whole first half of his career he was terrible and considered one of the all time draft busts. You start to look at the backlog, at the fact that Rivers has never been MVP, or even all Pro, has had injuries, has struggled at times... and he's just a borderline kind of a guy. I like him, but that's what he is. To put him in the elite class of quarterbacks who haven't won a Super Bowl is frankly silly.
 
Typically I am very wary of ex stars without pedigrees at that particular role. Their track record is downright abysmal. And Marino was never considered a mastermind type like Peyton or a great communicator or even talent scout. I can't lie, this has a lot of hallmarks of being a total disaster.

But, i can't hide the fact that I'm happy about this. I've always wanted him to continue being a part of this team. He is not a coach and I don't want to just hand him the GM role cart blanche without experience.

So a nebulous role where he has input but not decisional authority seems like the best way to ease Dan back in.
 
I think that people speculating that this may be a move to secure Harbaugh should remember Dan's philosophy.

As a QB he wanted to throw all the time. It's natural when you can throw like he could. As an analyst he still prefers a strong passing offense. And now he always mentions how a strong running game helps out a young QB tremendously.

But at the end of the day, if Dan Marino has input on a new coach he isn't going to suggest a power running game guy who uses a QB as a change of pace.

Harbaugh's offense relies less on the QB than even the Jimmy Johnson offense did. That offense handcuffed a great passer and asked him to be a game manager until they had dug a hole so deep the run game couldn't get them out of, and then do in 1 quarter what the opposing QB has had 4 quarters to do.

If Marino is asked ... he isn't suggesting Harbaugh. If the plan is to lure Chip Kelly ... I'm all in. :)
 
Typically I am very wary of ex stars without pedigrees at that particular role. Their track record is downright abysmal. And Marino was never considered a mastermind type like Peyton or a great communicator or even talent scout. I can't lie, this has a lot of hallmarks of being a total disaster.

But, i can't hide the fact that I'm happy about this. I've always wanted him to continue being a part of this team. He is not a coach and I don't want to just hand him the GM role cart blanche without experience.

So a nebulous role where he has input but not decisional authority seems like the best way to ease Dan back in.

There are examples on both sides, to be fair. Otto Graham, Forrest Gregg and Norm Van Brocklin all flamed out as head coaches, for example, whereas Raymond Berry and Mike Ditka succeeded. Ozzie Newsome has been a spectacular success as a GM after being a HOF tight end whereas Matt Millen -- excellent linebacker -- was Matt Millen -- epic fail GM. There's no one formula.

For what it's worth -- despite his background -- Elway was not considered a mastermind type during his playing days. He was considered a hyper talented, highlight reel type player. Like a better Michael Vick. But he wasn't considered a thinker, and didn't really become a very efficient passer until Mike Shanahan came along. I mean, he didn't even complete 60% of his passes over a season until 1993, when he was 33 years old.
 
If his only role is to be the "football guy"in Davie keeping tabs on the front office and coaching staff and giving his thoughts to Ross, we are better off. Absentee Owner Ross desperately needed a true "football guy" embedded in Davie to report back to him so that we wouldnt end up with another Ireland/Philbin/Aponte mess. Topping it off, this is the first DOLPHIN guy (other than Nat Moore) that will have a big role in the front office, something that has been sorely needed given the number of Jets rejects Ross has leaned on in the past.
 
Let me rephrase, I think Marino is the best to never win of his era and Rivers is the best to never win of his era. Other eras I have no clue about. I just find it interesting that Marino was so high on Rivers considering they've had such similar careers.
 
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