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MERGED:ESPN reporting the Dolphins are trying to clear cap space for Simon

Philter25 said:
You are exactly correct, Wright and Vickerson are more suited for a DT role. Simon also is more suited for a DT role. If you sign Simon, you basically negate your draft picks. Simon would want a 4-5 year deal here..... essentially it could be a 3 year deal with a backloaded year 4 and 5 so we can move him after 3 years..... anyways the point is if you sign him and we keep him for 3 years, you have Wright and Vickerson sitting for another 3 years.

If Wright or Vickerson have the potential to be a good starting DT, you need to test that potential. They are both signed on rookie contracts and are cheap and dont cost anything against the salary cap. Thats what good teams do. Look at the Eagles and the Pats salary cap then look at ours, it makes you sick how much certain players of ours cost against the cap and it makes you sick to see how good players on the Eagles and Pats dont make much at all.

You dont make it to the SB by overpaying for FAs and not developing your young players. We invested 2 draft picks in DTs. I would at least like to give one a shot at starting here next year.
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You need more than two good DT's to have a good line with the ability to rotate and have depth, assuming Wright and Vickerson both make it(a big assumption at this point), you still need more.
 
Philter25 said:
Unfortuately for Mueller he inherited some bad contracts that take up a good amount of cap room and might prohibit us from making some moves that we might have made if we had the space.

Look at Philly's secondary cap number and then look at ours. It will make you throw up how their starters take up half the cap room that our starters do and they are all pro bowlers. :lol:
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It's partly because of their drafting too, but yes your absolutely right. in 2002, and 2003 they set out to develop that youth they have in their secondary and overall on that team. At the time it was questioned but it's worked it very well.
 
BlueFin said:
Our O-line has enough talent and is starting to gel..
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Well if thats the case, then good for you guys...Ive been reading O-line is STILL a very BIG question mark.
 
Jaj said:
That's absolutely true by the way Filter, but remember Jermaine Haley? A 3-man rotation at DT/NT is HUGE. I don't know how much longer we'll have Chester, so if you think about it within 2 years even if we have Chester, one of the draft picks will be getting plenty of playing time. It also depends if we switch to a 3-4, where Vickerson might switch to the LDE backup.
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truthfully, Im not banking on Chester to even play this year. I dont see Chester starting over Traylor and I just seem him being a serviceable backup at best this year. I almost wish Chester would retire so he would free up cap space and free up a roster spot.

We need a NT. I however think Vickerson has the ability over Wright to be a NT for us in the future. As for now, I see Roth as more of a hybrid OE than a backup LE. Im not sure where he fits in. He was an interesting draft pick which Im still a little confused about. He has great strength but his size makes him a "tweener" I dont see him as a LE in a hybrid defense that we run, I just think he is too small. His strength and athleticism would put him in the OE mold but he hasnt played there at all. Roth is the one DLman that I am very confused on.
 
L.T.21 said:
Well if thats the case, then good for you guys...Ive been reading O-line is STILL a very BIG question mark.
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It is but it's showing signs of life. It's still way better than we had last year. Ronnie Brown's pass blocking is AN INCREDIBLE HELP :D

I could possibly see Roth eventually trying to lose about 5 pounds, and switching to a pure hybrid 4-3 DE/3-4 LB.
 
L.T.21 said:
Well if thats the case, then good for you guys...Ive been reading O-line is STILL a very BIG question mark.
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Hey LT, long time no see.:)
 
DreamWeaver said:
If this is true then Thompson & Howard may be cuts....
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You read my mind if Howard isn't a starter I think he should be traded or cut hes to much against the cap to sit on the bench.
 
He is the starter and we're hurting at CB so no way we do that. Howard is finally playing well in zone.
 
Jaj said:
He is the starter and we're hurting at CB so no way we do that. Howard is finally playing well in zone.
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Howard can't be cut right now, too valueable to our CB depth.
 
Hostile 17 said:
I'm going to have to be the lone voice of disquiet on this one. I've been hearing and reading quite a lot lately about personnel people saying Simon is a money-only guy who takes plays off. I sure hope that isn't true. He seems like the kind of signing that backfires, regardless of his huge talent.
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I thought we already have a huge talent that (in this case is out of shape) takes plays off on the DT... Wright!?
 
BlueFin said:
You need more than two good DT's to have a good line with the ability to rotate and have depth, assuming Wright and Vickerson both make it(a big assumption at this point), you still need more.
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I think you are confusing my language. In our defense, we have a DT and NT. Im talking about ONLY the DT position, not the NT position. Right now, we have Holliday, Wright, Shaw, Zgonina and Vickerson as true DTs. Traylor and Chester are the only two guys that really have the size to play NT but Zgonina is listed as a backup there and same with Vickerson.

Corey Simon would be a DT, not a NT, and therefore be playing one position on our Dline, the DT position, along with Holliday, Vickerson, and Wright. Therefore we would have 4 guys who are DT's on our team when you really need 2-3. Who would be the odd man out?

For the FUTURE of the team, not carrying Vickerson or Wright would hurt us. However for this year, Simon would be a good upgrade.
 
shellgh0st said:
It would be a BAD move to pick up Simon. He wants A LOT of cash and is only a good DT that isnt worth the price he wants to be paid. I've seen every game he has played in and assure you he is not a dominating force. The Eagles had problems with the run defense impart because simon isnt great against the run. He isnt the kind of DT that can get 10+ sacks a year and although he is above average as a pass rushing DT. However he is average against the run.

The Eagles rarely let players go that will have greater success in the future than they had in philly. Look at Trotter who went to the redskins for big money and almost ruined his career because he was in a system that didnt suit him. He is back in philly now, playing like a pro bowl player again. Jim Johnson has a way of making players look better than they are, and if this is the case with Simon, than we are in even more trouble if we pick him up, because that means we've seen his best and it aint all that great.

Bottom line, the down side of adding Simon outweighs the potential benefits of Simon. He is an above average DT but not a true force in the middle and doesn't deserve the cash and cap space he will take.
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well said...and I tend to agree completely. As much as i would like to have this guy on our team, he just isn't worth the price he is asking. I don't want to mortgage the future for one guy.
 
BlueFin said:
You need more than two good DT's to have a good line with the ability to rotate and have depth, assuming Wright and Vickerson both make it(a big assumption at this point), you still need more.
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It's a simple concept, really. To say Vickerson will be the future at the NT spot is so corny and unfounded.

As to the salary cap issue - if they want him they wil make room for him and the contract will be cap friendly. Saban and Mueller won't break the bank/destroy the cap to get one DT. End of story.
 
Good DTs are hard to find in the NFL these days. SImon is a premier DT. Our draft DTs are long shots at best. Simon can anchor this line for 4 or 5 more years. We should get him if we can make it work. Our current DTs are suspect, and Chester might never return. You have to spend money to be good.
 
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