MERGED:ESPN reporting the Dolphins are trying to clear cap space for Simon

[Awsi Dooger]

imagine the line with Taylor, Simon, Holliday, and Carter starting with Traylor, Zgonina and Chester rotating in at DT and with Roth and Bowens rotating in at DE. this is definitely the hole that we must fix (at DT) and then our defense will be quite impressive, no more running on us! :evil:

The tolerance for Larry Chester around here is mindnumbing. If Simon comes, Chester goes. He should go regardless. We're looking for increased production out of our DTs, not stationary do-nothing blobs backed up by pathetically overmatched journeymen, which was the case the last few years.

 

[Jaj]

Yes but he's one of the few guys that has tremendous weight in a short frame which is what a run stuffer needs. However, he simply goes straight into the blockers and doesn't plug like Timbo used to.

 

[ckparrothead]

You know what I find kind of funny is how guys get a reputation for playing for the money and taking plays off...during or after failed negotiations with their team.

Seriously if you would have talked to people about Corey Simon a year ago, people would not stop raving about him. HIS COACHES would not stop raving about him. Now, he becomes an unrestricted free agent, gets the franchise tag slapped on him, and he wouldn't bow to his team's demands, and all the sudden there's this notion floating around out there that Corey Simon is an attitude problem guy who takes plays off, doesn't work hard, and plays just for the money.

Simon and his agent have both gone on record denying that the offer they rejected from the Eagles was the offer that everyone says it was. I think the rumor out there is that he rejected a 5 year, $34 million contract with a $10 million signing bonus from the Eagles. If that is true, why do Simon and his agent deny that those were the terms they rejected? They have no incentive to deny it. If they wanted more money than that, they want teams to know that deal was not good enough.

I know this. On more than one occasion Head Coach Andy Reid has labeled Corey Simon the most underrated player in the league. Andy Reid's exact words were something like "On almost every play, he operates on the other side of the line of scrimmage because he easily blows past offensive linemen."

This is a money issue, very similar to Patrick Surtain. They know he's good, they just can't afford to pay him and drafted Mike Patterson to replace him. We would have done the exact same thing with Corey Webster, except Corey got snatched by the Giants before we could get hold of him.

And as for the money that Simon and his agent demanded from other teams when he was on the trading block, he says that they intentionally made those demands high because he simply didn't want to be traded.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I wouldnt be surprise if we cut Larry Chester & Derrius Thompson

Talk about fantasy island! Those are my two incomparable annoyances on our roster. I'm confident Saban will share my handicap and both will depart this season, regardless if we sign Simon.

 

[ckparrothead]

BTW, I believe Simon fits into our scheme in the exact same spot as Jeff Zgonina. Look for Zgonina to be cut or traded if we sign Simon. That will be one of the cost-cutting moves we make to sign Simon. Another might be cutting Derrius Thompson.

 

[nick1]

The tolerance for Larry Chester around here is mindnumbing. If Simon comes, Chester goes. He should go regardless. We're looking for increased production out of our DTs, not stationary do-nothing blobs backed up by pathetically overmatched journeymen, which was the case the last few years.

Chester would be fine as a back-up and thats exactly what he would be, we made our DTs better from last year by making him a back-up and starting Holliday and Traylor or Simon and Traylor/Holliday

 

[Philter25]

I was referring more to the future than the right now, many of our D-lineman are long in the tooth, I could see Simon being part of a really good team over the next four or five years, you can't say that about many of our D-lineman.

I agree, and I stated numerous times that Traylor, holliday, Chester and Zgonina might very well be playing their last season here in Miami.

However if we are on a 2 year rebuild plan, we will be in the same exact position we are in in a few years. We will have Taylor, Simon, and Carter all over 30 years old with no developed backups to take their place.

Just for the record, I think this team needs to draft a NT ASAP. Haloti Ngata has been on tops of my wishlist from Oregon, check him out, the guys a monster. Also Wright was drafted knowing he would be a project at DT. Signing Simon basically would mean drafting him as a project would be a complete waste and it would hurt our salary cap at the same time.

I agree that Simon would be a big lift to the Dline for 2-3 years, however I see this team not being a conteder for 2-3 years so signing vets to high priced deals while we semi-rebuild is a waste of productivity when you can be doing what the Pats and Eagles do and thats develop young players.

 

[Jaj]

Basically though the deal Simon will get is going to be a probably a 2-3 year deal with a high priced re-structure or release option from the onward.

You have to remember Wright is VERY YOUNG like Crowder, he's not an older rookie like Ronnie Brown so there isn't much worry for starting him yet. Wright seems to work best in a platoon by the way and that's what I see him doing. I don't know if drafting a NT that high is a good idea. My guess for us is 8-8ish, and I'm very high on getting a LT. Then again as always the QB issue pops up its ugly head.

 

[wazzy]

You know what I find kind of funny is how guys get a reputation for playing for the money and taking plays off...during or after failed negotiations with their team.

Seriously if you would have talked to people about Corey Simon a year ago, people would not stop raving about him. HIS COACHES would not stop raving about him. Now, he becomes an unrestricted free agent, gets the franchise tag slapped on him, and he wouldn't bow to his team's demands, and all the sudden there's this notion floating around out there that Corey Simon is an attitude problem guy who takes plays off, doesn't work hard, and plays just for the money.

Simon and his agent have both gone on record denying that the offer they rejected from the Eagles was the offer that everyone says it was. I think the rumor out there is that he rejected a 5 year, $34 million contract with a $10 million signing bonus from the Eagles. If that is true, why do Simon and his agent deny that those were the terms they rejected? They have no incentive to deny it. If they wanted more money than that, they want teams to know that deal was not good enough.

I know this. On more than one occasion Head Coach Andy Reid has labeled Corey Simon the most underrated player in the league. Andy Reid's exact words were something like "On almost every play, he operates on the other side of the line of scrimmage because he easily blows past offensive linemen."

This is a money issue, very similar to Patrick Surtain. They know he's good, they just can't afford to pay him and drafted Mike Patterson to replace him. We would have done the exact same thing with Corey Webster, except Corey got snatched by the Giants before we could get hold of him.

And as for the money that Simon and his agent demanded from other teams when he was on the trading block, he says that they intentionally made those demands high because he simply didn't want to be traded.

Good post! But hes still going to be a huge hit on the cap and I think this is a 50/50 move. This can complete our D-line and makes us one of the best in the league or we can overpay this guy and he can just have an avg season which would hurt the developement of our young players and our salary cap.

 

[Jaj]

It's more the resigning of Randy McMicheal that I'm thinking about. Zach, Madison's, and even J.T.'s contracts are in jeopardy next year.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Yes but he's one of the few guys that has tremendous weight in a short frame which is what a run stuffer needs. However, he simply goes straight into the blockers and doesn't plug like Timbo used to.

Very accurate. I know there is a place for meat and potatoes run stuffers. In Chester's case, plenty of dessert to go along with the meat and potatoes. My preference is for the more disruptive penetrating type DT, since they alter and shorten the play, occasionally making everyone better than they are. IMO too many posters here equate Chester to Bowens' caliber, which he has never been close to. Even an aging Bowens was superior to Chester when Bowens was reasonably healthy. Correct, Chester assumes a straight ahead sumo-wrestler type belly bump strategy virtually every play regardless of run-pass or down-distance. He doesn't slide or react well and isn't even an adequate tackler.

 

[BlueFin]

Stole? I think you PAID for HH. I have tremendous respect for the man, I do, you have credentials like him- he deserves respect. But STOLE is a word I wouldnt use to describe it..as said PAID for him.

IMHO: It will take HH a solid 2-3 years in order to get the OLINE HE WANTS! Thats going to be accomplished by drafting and free agency pick ups. Mcintosh was let go by HH, the remaining players on the Oline are not HH players. They are players that were there before his time. As said, he needs 2-3 years in order to bring his players and cultivate them the way he wants.

Also, YES COACHING IS A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT, but you also got to have players that will buy into scheme, and have the ability. It took HH 2-3 years to finally give Drew Brees a solid line, and one of those moves was releasing Damion. Call it luck or VERY good intuition, but who would have thought Shane Olivea would turn into the player he is, or Nick Hardwick ( a walk on at Purdue), also getting Mike Goff, and the old as the sun Roman Oben...what Im trying to say is YES HH is a very good pick up for you guys..no doubt. But the players currently in ARE NOT HIS PLAYERS!

McIntosh was injured in San Diego, he is just now 100% again and has played very well this pre-season. We have two other draft picks from last years draft that are starting and playing very well, along with Jeno James who started on Carolina's Superbowl team.

This unit is new playng together but it does have talent and it will gel before this year is out under the fine tutelege of Hudson Houck......but, you'll find out for yourself December 11th when Ricky and Ronnie run wild on your Chargers.

 

[ohall]

Incredible!

I hope this happens!

 

[Jaj]

Very accurate. I know there is a place for meat and potatoes run stuffers. In Chester's case, plenty of dessert to go along with the meat and potatoes. My preference is for the more disruptive penetrating type DT, since they alter and shorten the play, occasionally making everyone better than they are. IMO too many posters here equate Chester to Bowens' caliber, which he has never been close to. Even an aging Bowens was superior to Chester when Bowens was reasonably healthy. Correct, Chester assumes a straight ahead sumo-wrestler type belly bump strategy virtually every play regardless of run-pass or down-distance. He doesn't slide or react well and isn't even an adequate tackler.

You also have to remember that we don't necessarily need a 325 pounder all the time since our LDE is now 295 pounds. I wish Carter was 7 years younger WHAT A PLAYER...

 

[Philter25]

You know what I find kind of funny is how guys get a reputation for playing for the money and taking plays off...during or after failed negotiations with their team.

Seriously if you would have talked to people about Corey Simon a year ago, people would not stop raving about him. HIS COACHES would not stop raving about him. Now, he becomes an unrestricted free agent, gets the franchise tag slapped on him, and he wouldn't bow to his team's demands, and all the sudden there's this notion floating around out there that Corey Simon is an attitude problem guy who takes plays off, doesn't work hard, and plays just for the money.

Simon and his agent have both gone on record denying that the offer they rejected from the Eagles was the offer that everyone says it was. I think the rumor out there is that he rejected a 5 year, $34 million contract with a $10 million signing bonus from the Eagles. If that is true, why do Simon and his agent deny that those were the terms they rejected? They have no incentive to deny it. If they wanted more money than that, they want teams to know that deal was not good enough.

I know this. On more than one occasion Head Coach Andy Reid has labeled Corey Simon the most underrated player in the league. Andy Reid's exact words were something like "On almost every play, he operates on the other side of the line of scrimmage because he easily blows past offensive linemen."

This is a money issue, very similar to Patrick Surtain. They know he's good, they just can't afford to pay him and drafted Mike Patterson to replace him. We would have done the exact same thing with Corey Webster, except Corey got snatched by the Giants before we could get hold of him.

And as for the money that Simon and his agent demanded from other teams when he was on the trading block, he says that they intentionally made those demands high because he simply didn't want to be traded.

As being a huge Eagles fan, I do rave about Simon. He is an excellent player and is not a turd at all. He is a great Dlineman but there is a reason Philly let him go.

Hollis Thomas, one of my fav Eagles, is on the local station every week. He is good friends with Simon and every, EVERY, single player on the eagles thought Simon would sign and return to Philly. He stated he wanted to be in Philly and he wanted a long term deal for job security.

You are also correct, he didnt want to be traded so although the Eagles agreed on compensation with the Ravens, simon wouldnt agree on a contract so the trade couldnt go through.

And you are right, it is a financial issue. The Eagles drafted Patterson because they see a position which they need to address in the next upcoming years, and they develop a player for that position before the position is in need. Philadelphia also has one of the best talent to cost evaluators in the NFL. They NEVER overpay for a player.

Also, Simon's agent and Simon are denying the contract that Philly offered Simon because they felt that Simon got screwed by Philly. Simon was released towards the end of preseason and it made it harder for Simon to find a team. Teams that normally would have been interested in Simon might not be because of cap implications now.

Also, Philly made public Simon's deal before they released him to be a UFA. Why now, thats hes a UFA is Simon and his agent denying the offer? hmmmmmm.

They are denying the offer Philly made because they are mad, they didnt see him being released. Every Eagle thought he would be re-signed and Simon though so also. When the Eagles took off the tag it took everyone in Philly as a suprise. Even the writers who are on the eagles board didnt see it coming. Simon was holding out and asking for too much money and the Eagles screwed him over by releasing him as late into the preseason as they did.

It was a good move by Philly's front office. He wasnt worth what he was asking and they never overpay for talent.

Thats why it sickens me when my other fav team, the fins here, want to just overpay for him. Look at all Philly's moves over the past 4 years, their draft picks, their trades, their signings and releases. I cant find a single bad move and everything else has been excellent and pure genius.