MERGED:ESPN reporting the Dolphins are trying to clear cap space for Simon

[Namor]

:huh:

Jeffrey Lurie (sp?) owns the Eagles...

Wayne H. owns the Marlins...

I thought Wayne sold the Marlins???

 

[byroan]

:huh:

Jeffrey Lurie (sp?) owns the Eagles...

Wayne H. owns the Marlins...

[size=-1]Jeffrey Loria owns the Marlins.

[/size][size=-1]Jeffrey [/size]Lurie[size=-1] owns the Eagles.

Very confusing, I know.
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[BlueFin]

I see what you are getting at, however, like I said, I dont know how the deal was structured and that could very well be why Simon didnt accept it.

Philly could have offered him a "Kevin Carter" deal. I will use Carter so I can relate to everyone here. When Carter was signed, we had about 100 people screaming at the signing because they just saw the bottom number. They didnt see how it was structured. Although it was a 5 year deal, realistically its a 3 year deal because of how it was structured with his salary. For those other than CK reading this who dont know what im talking about:
http://www.nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=22526

If you think Kevin Carter will see that 3.8 million pay when he is in his mid 30s then you are strongly mistaken.

If Simon signs something similar to the structure of Carter, I would love to have him here and he would be a solid addition.

Again, I dont know what the actual parameters of the contract Philly offered him were, we just know the "overall" value. And as you know as well as I do, the overall value of the contract can be VERY misleading.

The reason I think Simon is denying the offer Philly made him is because he wanted to stay in Philly and wanted to resign with Philly. He wanted more money than Philly was willing to offer him and although Philly might have offered him that contract, it could have been backloaded so to Corey Simon, that 5 year 34 million dollar deal could look like a 2-3 year 15 million deal.

Also I think he might feel he got taken advantage of by Philly's FO by letting him stay under the franchise tag for so long before releasing him and this could be his way of attempting to get back at them.

Both sides could very well be telling the truth...

And I stand by my statement that the Eagles dont make mistakes and dont overpay for players. They have proven it year after year after year after year to show they make the right decision. If Miami signs him for a contract under what Philly offered him, I would be happy and would welcome here.

However I am basing his asking price as a mean between what he asked Baltimore and what Philly offered him...... that is my assumption which I established from the philly boards, and at that rate I would not want to see him here in Miami taking that much cap room when we already have players like JT, ZT, SM, Howard, and AJ taking up a good chunk of our cap next year.

I seriously doubt AJ or Howard will be here next year at those numbers, there might even be one or two of the others you named in teh same boat.

 

[shellgh0st]

BTW you forgot Hugh Douglass, shellgh0st, in that list of guys who left the Eagles and couldn't get to the same level elsewhere. I believe Simon is one of those guys that has been there the whole time during all that and he may have been one of the key cogs that allowed the edge players (corners, defensive ends, outside linebackers) to excel in the scheme.

Yeah, I left guys like Hugh out because I didnt feel like typing every single guy the Eagles we right about letting go.

I've watched every single Eagles game with Reid, the DT is not the linch pin of the defense as you seem to be trying to point out there. Its the edge players that make the defense work. With the DEs and CBs they've had over the years, they are able to blitz and cause general confusion by moving SS/FS around to make plays.

Your point makes little sense, cause if Simon was the key cog, philly would know this and use up avalible cap room to keep him. In fact, philly would have kept their franchise tag on him. THEY DECIDED TO LET HIM WALK. Why? who lets "key cogs" walk when they have them 1. Tagged 2. the money to sign the player?

Makes no sense. The Eagles value, CBs and DEs, they have tons of DTs they rotate in and even believe rookie Patterson will have a bigger impact than Simon could have had this season.

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

Supposing this news is true, and Miami is his destination of choice, how long before we can expect him to be in a Phinz uniform. The season is just over a week away, and I'm sure Saban would want him in here starting by the time we play Denver...

So, how long do you think it will be before we hear something concrete regarding Simon signing in Miami???...

Are there going to be other offers on the table that we'll need to contend with, or is it pretty much a lock that Simon wants to come home and play for Saban???...

PHINZ RULE!!!

 

[Miamilove20]

I think this whole Simon thing is just a rumor. He could never learn Sabans Complex D# in just one week.

Look at Lance Schulters. he is here for almost a whole month and Bell pretty much outplayed him.

It definately would be sweet if we could sign him but I doubt it.

 

[jlfin]

On a defense like Philly, Simon wont be missed. On a defense like ours, he'd be considered a huge addition....

I've heard some bad things about Simon being lazy, and taking plays off, but this guys would be a very solid addition to our DL, and after watching our 2nd string DL get man handled, we could certainly use some quality players at DT. Simon would be a great signing for us, and I hope we make him a respectable offer....

PHINZ RULE!!!!

I don't think Philly's defense is better than ours. Defense hasn't been the problem with the Dolphins (when healthy).
I don't think the addition of Simon would be a huge addition. Our defense has been looking pretty good throughout the preseason.

 

[prolific]

Just heard that the Fins are trying to get Simon on board. Simon wants to be a Fin.

I had a feeling Saban would entertain this idea looking at his past moves!

remember this team is switching to a 3/4 next year so the question is can he play nose tackle?

 

[MrClean]

remember this team is switching to a 3/4 next year so the question is can he play nose tackle?

No, he is not a 3-4 NT. In a 3-4, imo, he would play DE. His role in our D would be about the same as Holliday. 3 technique DT in the 4-3 and DE in the 3-4. He only goes 6-2 and about 290 lbs.

 

[igor79]

What kind of money/contract is he looking for? I know he rejected 5.15 mill (for the one year) from the defending NFC champs.

he wants a long term deal... 10-15 mil in signing bonus

 

[Philter25]

I don't think Philly's defense is better than ours.

Thats a good one.

 

[VanDolPhan]

DING DING DING DING!!! WINNER! WINNER WINNER!!!

As said:

Originally Posted by L.T.21
Hmm..interesting...IMHO- WHY? Besides possibility of cap hell, WHY? Apologies for not knowing your cap situation, but this guy will demand some $$$, even if he does re-structure. Also, from what Ive heard / read about Simon, he was a "product of the system" I HATE THAT WORD, but that is what ive heard..


Let me ask you this...You bring in Simon, but isnt the defensive line ALREADY a strength? Does bringing Simon in help the O-line?

This would be weird, and once again thats IMHO.

As I always say, you dont strengthen the position your strong at...you address the positions that are WEAK!

There is no help at those positions so where in the world would you like us to find a Pro Bowl caliber player at those positions right now? I really want to know. You do know that we are WEAK against the run right? We were 2nd to last in the league last year and it hasn't shown to be much better this year. In fact our run defense is more of a problem then the OL is at this point. The OL has made strides since Houck came in and I'm confident that this group can play up to the league average.

 

[finswin56]

I can't believe some people still think we're releasing Howard.

 

[VanDolPhan]

I can't believe some people still think we're releasing Howard.

Yup I can't believe it either. We can easily clear up the room by clearing off Thompson, Zgonina and Chester. Those salaries would be just enough to clear out a first year (they make $2 million combined) contract and the team can put a 'lot' into a roster bonus next year so we can get a one year opt out if he doesn't play well.

 

[Philter25]

I can't believe some people still think we're releasing Howard.

I know, ive stopped yelling at them. Its starting to get really depressing and hard for me to argue with Bills and Jets fans. Bills and Jets fans call us stupid then I argue back and then these posts come and I think to myself, "why bother"