MERGED: Gus Frerotte

[cltchperf]

u ARE right. In the end, none of us truly know as of yet whether it was a bad throw or a wrong route.

However I will say this, had Chambers adjusted sooner and gone to the outside it most likely would have ben an INT. He was completely smothered. Or atleast an INC IMO.

Listen I am a firm believer that if a WR makes a great catch u can't say the QB got lucky. It's part of the game.

Gus looked solid IMO. However, so did Feeley. I was simply pointing out that if Gilmore doesn't make that catch, which even Gus said wasn't meant for him then Frerottes performance wasn't much better.

To me it looked as though Gus got lucky where Feeley didn't.

Feeley looks to have better accuracy, stronger arm. Where as Gus is more comfortable and fluid.

So right now it is a dead heat.

Err. I didn't mean to say Guys got lucky where Feeley didn't. Meant to say what went in Gus's favor didn't go in Feeley's favor.

Even if Frerotte didn't get that pass he still would have played better than Feeley he took command of the offense, and moved the ball something that Feeley couldn't really do. Frerotte would have had 2 Tds if no.40 didn't stumble while going after the ball that Frerotte threw nicely, but instead resulted in a Miami field goal after that play.

 

[Surferosa]

I'm sorry but to me Gus just doesn't seem to do it for me. Yes he did not look bad. But he did have some throws that did not really impress me at all. The touchdown was damn lucky because it was behind receiver. On another throw he threw it up and it looked weak. At least to me it did. It looked like it just died in mid air. And all of this against second string defense well he should look pretty decent against 2nd stringers. lets wait til next week to see how he looks against actual starters.

You relaize he threw for 147 yards in only ONE quarter and had a Passer rating of 110.7, right?

 

[cltchperf]

I'm sorry but to me Gus just doesn't seem to do it for me. Yes he did not look bad. But he did have some throws that did not really impress me at all. The touchdown was damn lucky because it was behind receiver. On another throw he threw it up and it looked weak. At least to me it did. It looked like it just died in mid air. And all of this against second string defense well he should look pretty decent against 2nd stringers. lets wait til next week to see how he looks against actual starters.

If you actually watched the game, it was actually split with him and the first and second string D. He came in at the last sec of 1st quarter, The 1st string D was still out there in the beginning of the 2nd quarter (I remeber seeing Urlacher on the field), which he made that deep pass to Chambers against, Come on it was a TD, it wasn't pretty but he was scrambling and had a ton of pressure on him. The throw to Chambers was right where it needed to be, because he was double teamed, he made a lot of nice quick strikes to receivers in stride.

 

[Surferosa]

Here is a good thing.

Without being biased or without the blinders some people have on.

Both QB'S looked solid tonight.

I am a huge Feeley supporter.

Now to the question. Now honestly think about this. I know it's dificult to play the what if game. BUt how much better was Gus tonight if Thompson makes that perfectly thrown pass? All of Feeleys throws were right on the money. The one throw to Chambers in double coverage was his only bad attempt.

Feeley definitely looks 10 times more accurate then Frerotte.

Now on to Frerotte. He definitely looks more comfortable in the offense. Conversely. How much better will some of you be saying that Gus was Had Chambers not been able to adjust and catch the horribly underthrown deep ball that had been thrown on target could have went the distance? How much better is Gus if Gilmore doesn't doesn't make the amazing catch on another poorly thrown ball from Frerotte.

Now before some of you bash what I am saying here is my point. The only reason GUS LOOked better is because the WR'S made adjustments or amazing catches. Feeley WR'S didn't have to make great catches or adjust because he was right on the money. He had bad luck on that Thompson catch.

With that said, I would say they both looked solid. You can't look at just the stats u gotta look at the game.

It is very clear Feeley is way more accurate and has the better arm. However, right now Gus is more comfortable and is better at checking off.

They both looked solid tonight period. Not outstanding but solid.

Feely Postivies: Every time Feely had time to pass, he also threw a nice ball in the vicinity of the receiver. He had at least one drop that wasnt his fault. So he played very well in the regard that his throws were accurate. Just as well as Gus.

Feely NeagtivesHaving said that, there were many instances where AJ was simply not able to put himself into position to throw the ball downfield. True, the OL and blitz pickups were piss poor, but thats part of playing QB sometimes. You need to be able to improvise. Gus was almost sacked in the endzone, but he found a way to gently avoid the rush and make a play downfield. He actually did that several times in the second quarter.

Pocket presence is definitely one of the big differences between the two players at this point, imo. Gus has a lot more of it than AJ, IMO.

 

[byroan]

Gus was almost sacked in the endzone, but he found a way to gently avoid the rush and make a play downfield.

That play was more of a blown tackle then Gus trying to avoid the sack.

 

[Surferosa]

That play was more of a blown tackle then Gus trying to avoid the sack.

1) That was John Madden's assessment of the play, too.

2) It takes some real compusure to withstand a rushing linebacker that gets both hands on you, and still throw a perfect 40 yard pass downfield. Maybe a lot of other QB's would have been able to avoid the sack as well, but not all of them would be able to recover and make the completion without missing a beat. Hes always looking down the field. Thats a natural QB skill IMO.

 

[dolfanrob55]

1) That was John Madden's assessment of the play, too.

2) It takes some real compusure to withstand a rushing linebacker that gets both hands on you, and still throw a perfect 40 yard pass downfield. Maybe a lot of other QB's would have been able to avoid the sack as well, but not all of them would be able to recover and make the completion without missing a beat. Hes always looking down the field. Thats a natural QB skill IMO.

agreed.. although the lb missed the sack more than Gus avoiding it, the fact that he had the composure to find a reciever downfield and get the throw to him was huge for Gus

 

[Surferosa]

I hope that Gus continues to play well. He knows this offense very well, and is able to make the throws.

 

[finsnchips]

I hope that Gus continues to play well. He knows this offense very well, and is able to make the throws.

amen, thats why i think he should start.

 

[PhinBeck]

I said in anoither thread, Feeley looked better last nite, he made some nice throws, didnt make any major mistakes. Frerrotte still looks betetr, more comfortable. Gus looked betetr simply be cause he showed more coolness under pressure, he slipped naturally out of teh rushes way andmade throws. He just looked more poised. It may be a matter of AJ not comfortable in teh system yet, time will tell, but he definitely doesnt have the pocket presence right now that Gus has. That is the biggest diff I noticed and why Gus is ahead in teh comp.

 

[BlueFin]

you want gus to start so you can have two guaranteed wins against us.
gus and his old age wont stand a chance against the pats.
in this game, he only looks at one damn receiver and throws it his way all teh damn time.

Right.....he's senile at 33 or 34, very intelligent post.

One can always expect such brilliant observations from Patsie fans.

 

[BlueFin]

I said in anoither thread, Feeley looked better last nite, he made some nice throws, didnt make any major mistakes. Frerrotte still looks betetr, more comfortable. Gus looked betetr simply be cause he showed more coolness under pressure, he slipped naturally out of teh rushes way andmade throws. He just looked more poised. It may be a matter of AJ not comfortable in teh system yet, time will tell, but he definitely doesnt have the pocket presence right now that Gus has. That is the biggest diff I noticed and why Gus is ahead in teh comp.

I would say thats pretty accurate, AJ just didn't seem to feel the rush very well at all last night.

 

[edsta74]

i dont understand why everyone says they dont like Gus... for what reason? The only reason i ever hear is that he is "old". Give me a break. I personally dont care who wins the QB position as long as they win games. And according to tonight, it looks like Gus may be able to do that. Granted he is with the second team etc. so i really cant see much until he starts this weekends game at Jacksonville but so far, i give it to Gus. And until someone gives me a LEGITIMATE reason for disliking the guy... i like him.

:missmeth:

took the words right out of my mouth. gus looked much better that feeley last night!!

 

[touborg]

Feely Postivies: Every time Feely had time to pass, he also threw a nice ball in the vicinity of the receiver. He had at least one drop that wasnt his fault. So he played very well in the regard that his throws were accurate. Just as well as Gus.

Feely NeagtivesHaving said that, there were many instances where AJ was simply not able to put himself into position to throw the ball downfield. True, the OL and blitz pickups were piss poor, but thats part of playing QB sometimes. You need to be able to improvise. Gus was almost sacked in the endzone, but he found a way to gently avoid the rush and make a play downfield. He actually did that several times in the second quarter.

Pocket presence is definitely one of the big differences between the two players at this point, imo. Gus has a lot more of it than AJ, IMO.

I 110% agree with this post. AJ had an ok night, but he's still missing a lot. We can't depend on a QB that can only throw when the surroundings happen to be perfect.

 

[edsta74]

agreed.. although the lb missed the sack more than Gus avoiding it, the fact that he had the composure to find a reciever downfield and get the throw to him was huge for Gus

Amen! we need a qb who wont crumble or be get nervous when the pressure comes. Gus did that and still had the presence to find a reciever. Pocket poise comes with experience and feeley still doesnt have it. I guess only time will tell, but Gus is the frontrunner right now. Feeley has his work cut out for him this pre-season.