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[LoneWulF]

Culpepper would be the best qb Miami has had since Marino, by far. Even though that isnt saying much

 

[FinNasty]

Culpepper would be the best qb Miami has had since Marino, by far. Even though that isnt saying much

ya... and to think Gus might be the best QB we have had since Marino... :shakeno:

Culpepper would be the best thing to happen to this franchise in a while... especially if we can get him for peanuts (2nd round pick or Ricky)

 

[PhinsPhan]

Don't even get me started on this. I have supported Culpepper 100% and those that think he is overrated, don't have a clue. Every player has a bad year, last year it was Culpepper's. Bad coach, new/bad offense, never a consistent RB or WRs, injured knee, loss of Matt Birk, other linman suck except Bryant McKinnie. I could go on and on.........

I have said he is overrated even in the year he supposedly had one of the best seasons ever for a QB. I got so tired of talking about it I just put it into my sig. You need more reasons search my posts for previous Culpepper threads.

 

[PhinsPhan]

He isnt like Vick... his game doesnt revolve around his running ability... he is a pass first QB that only ran when things broke down...

And if McGahee can come back and be able to play running back... Culpepper can come back and play QB where you dont need to rely on your knee NEAR as much as you do as a RB...

His game did revolve around his athletic ability. Because of that teams were forced to spy him. They also never blitzed him, and with Minnys oline he got 5 seconds per pass play. With Moss teams could also never blitz him because that would leave a cover 1 or cover 0 situation. Last year you saw it, teams could play Minny like a normal team and the guy was ****ing terrible. Go figure, Brad Johnson plays and they win games.

He hasn't proven he can win big games.

His team did better WITHOUT him. If he was so good why is his team shopping him? In the NFL if you have a franchise QB you don't let him go for peanuts.

Only after he did so bad they said he was hurt. Brady played with a hernia all year and he didn't whine about it like McNabb or Pepper did with his foot or knee.

Teams had to play Cover 2 Man or Cover 4 every play against them. That makes your reads awfuly easy especially when you get 5 seconds to make your decision.

Averages 2 Turnovers a game for his career.

Does that annoying "get your roll on" after every TD.

If he was hurt with some phantom injury that made him play bad do you really think he will be okay with a serious 3 ligament tear of his knee.

He stares down receivers and locks in.

He gets torn up against pressure defenses (a la Philly Playoffs, Chicago, Tampa Bay, Carolina) He gets confused by trick defenses (Cinncinati). So what is he good at? How about tearing up the New Orleans Saints and Green Bay Packers last year. Even the Packers had him to 0 points and a fumble in the first half. Then they sat on the lead and went back to the Cover 2 man the whole game (Jim Bates style). This guy has had a couple of years of playing Detriot and Green Bay defenses 4 times a year to pad his stats.

I like our oline. But with them Culpepper would be terrible.

At least he would throw some great Yacht parties by South Beach.

 

[808dolfan]

No To An Injured Daunte!

Basically, I think he was a good qb! Not great, but much better than average. If he was a FA & came in at a decent price . . . go for it! He's definitely better than Gus! Even with a questionable knee!

But, trade a #2 for him when he had a severe knee injury? Nah! Saban already said that he covets draft picks to build the team.

I'd rather see Saban draft a qb & sign or trade for another veteran FA to compete with Gus . . . as long as it's a mid to low pick. This will give time for the young qb to develop. Hopefully, he'll be ready when all of "Saban's guys" are in their prime!

Let's be realistic! The run of wins at the end of the season was nice . . . but what really are our chances to win the SB next year?! I heard we are 20 to 1 in Vegas now. 20-1!!! That's probably inflated because of our season-ending win streak! . . . and really, what quality team did we really beat? If we had a tougher schedule, we probably wouldn't have won as many games!

So let Saban build for the future! Maybe in 2 or 3 years we'll FINALLY win it all!!!

 

[Krush]

But apparently you missed his last year with Moss when Moss did next to nothing and Culpepper put up MVP type stats


Heck why dont I just say this

As soon as Peyton Manning does something without Harrison I will think he is good, at Tennesse he could never beat Florida the guy sucks

No-one will ever say that, and no-one should trash talk Daunte

I seen Daunte' play here at UCF and he is everything now as he was then, he is a solid player no doubt about it.

 

[Dolphin North]

Randall Cunningham had Chris Carter too and was not a bad QB. George had Carter as well and you can't say they looked like Pro Bowlers. I don't care how good Randy Moss is, one player can't make a QB have the type of year Culpepper had two years ago. Any other year and he is MVP. You don't get a QB of Culpepper's caliber for a 2nd round pick plain and simple. Plus there is a reason he was drafted so high. His success is not a fluke and not a result of one player.

I agree with you. Get him if we can grab him for something reasonable, but just like the draft, don'r reach. Saban is my filter. If he likes Culpepper, I do, because it would mean he thinks he can correct the flaws like turnovers. that's my only problem with Culpepper. He used to fumble A LOT. Does he still? Are INT's an outstanding problem with him? Decision making? I love the arm, mobility ans potential for leadership at QB he has though. What a great QB he could be for the next few years while we get a guy in the draft to groom. That way, we don't have to rush to grab a draftee that we don't really want 100%.

EDIT: Wait a minute, I just read about how serious the knee injury is. If it's as bad as I hear (3 ligaments), no. He better be really cheap to grab him!

 

[krazikarl]

I keep hearing Dante Did nothing without Moss, and he was only good because of Moss. Well What did Moss do this year without Dante? Are you going to tell me they are both overrated?

A. You failed to mention how many touchdowns moss had that season (something like 11 or 12) and the fact that he only played 13 games, playing 3-4 of them injured. If you look at the other receivers that played well for minnesota that year (ie: Burleson), they only had good games when Moss was playing and did nothing when he wasn't playing - and what do you know, Burleson and Robinson disappeared this year.

B. Did you watch the Raiders play? Kerry Collins was clueless - he got benched for Marques Tuiasosopo. Their head coach got fired. There was obviously something wrong with that team and it wasn't named Randy.

Daunte isn't nearly worth the amount of money he will demand.

 

[jlfin]

I guess you have a few bad games with a new offense, and a bad knee and your yesterdays news nowdays

No, but ONE good year does not constitute a great QB. I prefer to see some consistency before I bank my team's future on a veteran QB.

 

[ZolarZ_GoPhins]

Personally I would rather looks somewhere else for a QB then Culpepper.

The main problem with all of these threads is the rumor that anyone can have him for a 2nd. If he is really that good, wouldn't nearly every team call up the Vikes and offer up a 2nd? The guy probably will not be ready to go at TC and I think is set to be ready to play in Sep. He had a horrible injury and untill this fall I doubt anyone can judge if he can return to form.

That said was he even that good before the injury. His backups seem to always step in and play well. Also Brad freakin Johnson(37 years old) almost brought the team back from a laughing stock in the league to Playoffs. In 9 starts he got 12 tds, 4 int : Compared to Culpepper in 7 games 6 tds 12 int.

Correct me if I am wrong but the Vikes didn't get a new O-Line, WR, RB, and Playbook the very next day after Culpeppers injury did they?

It at least makes ya say hummmm. aye?
It is also enough for me to say NO.

 

[LarryFinFan]

I keep hearing Dante Did nothing without Moss, and he was only good because of Moss. Well What did Moss do this year without Dante? Are you going to tell me they are both overrated?

Is Daunte coming back healthy from that injury that is the question on him. Why would we trade for a guy who had a devasting knee injury and may not be ready to play until mid season, and may never be the same QB he was due to the injury ?? Let Linehan have him and we'll take Bulgar...he's got issues as well as Culpepper, but he'll be able to participate in offseason work and tc....

 

[Killer308]

I keep hearing Dante Did nothing without Moss, and he was only good because of Moss. Well What did Moss do this year without Dante? Are you going to tell me they are both overrated?

Yes

 

[cnc66]

the comparisons with Brad Johnson taking over and what he accomplished with essentially the same personell package make me nervous as hell. I have been a Duante fan since his days at UCF and had always wished he had come here. That being said, he would not be our future, he would not be ready to play at seasons begining, he MAY not ever recover from his present injuries and really he would mostly be a laterall move. I would rather keep Gus and bring a new kid up to speed.

 

[poornate]

All these smug assertions of "I'll Pass" and "What has he done without Moss" need to go away. The reality is if we get Daunte Culpeper before he is even thirty years old and he recovers from this knee injury we have stolen a 5-8 year premier starter. It is easy to forget that Culpepers last complete season was one of the greatest QB performances in the history of the NFL. Were it not for Manning he was easily the MVP of the league. As for the knee you roll the dice. Medical technology will get him back on the field. I have watched us draft 2nd rounders for years and if he is aqquired for a 2nd it will be looked back on as one of the wisest uses of a pick in the history of the franchise.

 

[PhinBeck]

All these smug assertions of "I'll Pass" and "What has he done without Moss" need to go away. The reality is if we get Daunte Culpeper before he is even thirty years old and he recovers from this knee injury we have stolen a 5-8 year premier starter. It is easy to forget that Culpepers last complete season was one of the greatest QB performances in the history of the NFL. Were it not for Manning he was easily the MVP of the league. As for the knee you roll the dice. Medical technology will get him back on the field. I have watched us draft 2nd rounders for years and if he is aqquired for a 2nd it will be looked back on as one of the wisest uses of a pick in the history of the franchise.

Yeah but what did he do w/o Moss?