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    Thank you so much.
     
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    Anytime, Sir!

    Quick correction/addition to my previous post, Florida St's D belongs in the conversation, so those would be my early picks for top D's. Think USC, LSU and Florida, among 2-3 other teams are a few steps back.
     
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    Bush should've been ejected. Overturning that call was bizarre. You guys were clearly the better coached team. Yet another season of watching ****ty QBs for the gators.
     
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    Jim McElwain's seat is getting hot and rightfully so. Gators didn't even need to be average offensively to win, they just needed so much as a pulse on offense. They don't have one without Callaway. Definitely don't have one without Callaway and Scarlett.

    I lost count of how many times the defense gave up 25 yards and the first down after Michigan runs a simple counter play on 3rd and long.

    All the suspensions and injuries hurt Florida in big moments. Especially the true freshman with no experience back there patrolling the MOF on the long TD to Black.

    Florida just doesn't look like top 25 material yet. Which by the same token doesn't bode all that well for Wolverines either. That was not a good football team they beat yesterday.
     
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    The same hit the Gator DB laid on Black later in the game with no penalty. No issue with either.
     
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    Their OL was supposed to be a strength but was no match for Michigan's DL. Far to much was made about the inexperience with 10 new starters. Michigan does a good job rotating players so many saw extensive action last year. Florida players were ignorant in saying Michigan is slow laterally and they showed they're not. The secondary may be an issue when they come across a good throwing QB but they have good football IQs and will grow up. I think it's a mistake to sell that defense short and after yesterday I think teams will view them differently.

    Both teams have issues with poor QB play though Speight is capable of playing well he's just inconsistent. Poor timing and accuracy in my opinion. It was interesting Florida switched to Zaire instead of Del Rio who outperformed Zaire in spring and fall camp according to some reports. Perhaps McIlwain felt a mobile QB was best to avoid the pressure but that didnt work either.

    I don't see Michigan in the playoff yet but they're a team that can push the Buckeyes and Penn State if they can get good QB play. Next year I'll look for them to be amongst the top 5.
     
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    yeah like MD said our big issue will be the QB. Florida's only 2 TDs came from pick 6s (though the first wasn't Speight's fault), and Speight tends to be a guy that will go into a shell if things go poorly. Ulizio also needs to be better at RT, but let's not act like Michigan lucked out or won just because Florida was awful.
     
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    I think they both should've got the boot.

    Have a feeling our teams are each in for a long season. Lots of things not to like on either side. QB issues don't tend to work themselves out.
     
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    I will agree that QB is concerning if that Wilton Speight is around all year. Not a huge O'Korn guy, and it actually sounds like Brandon Peters has fallen behind Dylan McCaffrey in the pecking order. That being said Speight also showed last year that when he is on he is on.
     
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    Honestly I was shocked they didn't toss Bush Jr.
     
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    I'm starting to wonder if Peters is going to wind up transferring.
     
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    Well this is all rumors cause Peters did look good in the spring game, and remember Speight came out of nowhere last year. Peters will get his chance, but McCaffery arguably has the higher ceiling and Joe Milton isn't a slouch either.
     
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    Speight has got to get better, that game was closer than the teams actually were.
     
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    If Harbaugh goes back to Speight its because he’s stubborn though I don’t think he will. Was surprised at how much O’Korn has improved from the pocket. Speight on the other hand has regressed to the point he’s not a functioning QB. Obviously I hope he’s okay but time for him to sit behind JOK and Peters.
     
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    biggest difference with O'Korn was he started hitting Gentry and McKeon which stopped Purdue's blitzing. But yeah, Speight has become a QB with zero confidence
     
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    Harbaugh was actually furious about Purdue's medical facilities and feel they were ill equipped to help injured players
     
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    Just saw video of it and can see why. I get gamesmanship but some visitor facilities are pretty bad. Tim Brando made a fool of himself saying he’ll get on board Harbaugh’s rant after Jim provides a depth chart. Ridiculous that some miss what the priorities should be.
     
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    Purdue basically said afterwards, we told them they weren't good.

    But sounds like Speight has 3 fractured vertebrae in his back
     
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    I’m hearing Speight may be done career wise. Certainly won’t be back this year. Any gossip of McCaffrey passing Peters on the depth chart was wrong. Not sold on O’Korn but he can’t be as ineffective as Speight was playing.
     
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    And looks like O'Korn isn't that great. Plays were there to be made but he wasn't seeing them. Will probably play him against PSU and then make the Peters switch if he struggles.

    Also looks like Higdon is now the man. Best vision of the backs. Chris Evans just doesn't have the vision to be the guy (right now)
     
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    Brian Cook is talking about giving O'Korn PSU then switching. That squashes any rumor of Peters being unhappy and thinking transfer. They’ve dumbed the offense down to just a couple options but JOK is still struggling. Though I think everyone agrees they need to go to Peters to give him a head start on next season, I’ll be surprised if Harbaugh makes a change. I expect a loss Sat night and if it is to be, I would prefer we can only kick long field goals. Anything to help influence Harbaugh into making the switch.
     
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    Well that wasn't fun. Don Brown made 2 mistakes with his defensive game plan.

    1.Having Tyree Kinnel defend Desean Hamilton in the slot

    2.Having Mike McCray be responsible for defending Barkley.

    After that? Metellus, McCray, and Kinnel were all awful with missed tackles.

    Offensively at this point you have to go to Peters or McCaffrey to prepare for next year. I feel Harbaugh was being stubborn with QBs but at this point it's time to build for next year.
     
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    Well guess it's the Brandon Peters show for now
     
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    Peters shows the traits of a very promising QB. Easy to see why Harbaugh was so high on him. They actually thought he was ready a couple weeks ago but wanted to wait until after Penn State.
     
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    Supposedly the reason he wasnt the backup or starter earlier was two fols. 1)he didnt pick up Peps offense as quick as the others 2) they wanted him to take control. Just read an article where the defense kept yelling for him to get louder.

    Looks more confident than JOK in terms of going through reads. JOK did helo with Gentry and McKeon develiping and getting involved but the ladt couple games he just couldn't get through his reads.

    Of course Onwenu developing and Ulizio getting benched helped
     
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    Rashan Gary said in spring camp he wouldn’t checkdown or call adjustments. He goes on to say the transformation in his communication skills from then until now is incredible. He was ready a couple weeks ago but the staff felt Rutgers was the ideal spot to break him in.

    Chris Balas was way off in his assessment of Peters being a bust and wanting to transfer. This has been all about getting him to where he needs to be with the playbook and command to attain success long term.
     
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    Pass pro still needs work but the running game is beastly right now
     
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    game was there to win if JOK wasn't a poor QB.
     
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    Last two against the Buckeyes are wins with average QB play.

    Speight transferring. Rumors Shea Patterson may transfer in.
     
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    Well next year will be a Jim Harbaugh QB
     
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    If Patterson does transfer Michigan is the most likely landing spot.
     
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    sounds like we will likely get Patterson, safety Deontay Anderson, and WR Van Jefferson (son of our WR coach)
     
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    Also Brian Smith has left to become DC at Rice. Smith did a solid job as a coach, not much of a recruiter.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see Bush Sr become safety coach (a position he was an All-American at FSU). Also rumors that Arkansas OC/Former CMU HC/Lifelong Sparty Dan Enos met with Harbaugh to join the staff in some capacity
     
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    2017
    Speight
    O’Korn
    Peters

    2018
    Patterson
    Peters
    McCaffrey

    QB play cost them the last two Ohio State games and against Mich State this year. Michigan fans should be giddy about this upgrade. Still need to play it out but on paper that’s a very talented QB room.
     
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    Doyle and Milton aren't bad prospects either (though Milton is pretty much all arm at this point)

    But this is pretty much Michigan suffering from years of bad QB recruiting before Harbaugh got here. I still say Speight pre-injury last year was as good as any big 10 QB.... sadly once he got hurt he was never the same. And O'Korn just isn't a multi read QB.
     
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    Kevin Tolbert is out.
     
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    Tommy Tremble committing tomorrow Michigan is confident.

    Sadly won't be getting Deontay Anderson due to the school denying him due to grades. Sounds like no to Van Jefferson as well.

    As for Tolbert. Hearing mixed things, but sounds like Jim was not happy with the results
     
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    My wife went to Michigan so I like them. Over Thanksgiving holiday, we visited her folks. I took a car in for service and watched the OSU game with a former Wolverine, Allen Bishop (graduated circa 1987) who I met on the spot but who was a very nice guy and liked me because I knew my stuff. Great guy. Bishop was a defensive back out of Miami Killian High. He talked alot about Killian guys, like Sean Taylor.

    I asked him how ended up a UM. Anyway, he was playing in a high school game where one of UM's assistants was watching another guy. Bishop took a pick back 100 plus yards and the assistant said "who is that guy," and his uncle was nearby and said, "that's my nephew, Allen Bishop." The assistant saw Bishop after the game and said "Bo Schembechler will be in your parents' living room Monday afternoon." And he was, so Bishop went there.

    He knew Michael Irvin and a number of big time guys from South Florida in that era, including Michael Irvin.

    Bishop claimed to me he still has the UM record for tackles in a game. I am not sure how much he played in the league but he talked about being in a Packers camp and what a disaster Tony Mandarich (MSU) was relative to roids. he was hyped beyond comprehension watching the game. Every combo of curse words were used at times.
     
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    SO this recruiting class is a lot of potential but not a lot of star studded recruits.

    Rumors are we may be getting Arkansas's Strength Coach, who was well loved and was also the guy for Bilema at Wisconsin.

    Devin Bush Sr is coaching the bowl game, fully expect him to be on the coaching staff next year.

    So right now if Bush gets the job, we have 1 spot to fill (the 10th spot) unless Frey leaves for FSU which is a rumor floating
     

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