Mike Wallace's Career Deep Receiving Statistics: Tannehill vs. Roethlisberger

[cafinfan408]

Pitt switched their whole O in 2012 right? Could it be said the west coast o has caused both big ben and tennehill to erratic with the deep ball. Does so much of the o being timing based routes make it hard to throw a late bomb?

 

[Shouright]

Pitt switched their whole O in 2012 right? Could it be said the west coast o has caused both big ben and tennehill to erratic with the deep ball. Does so much of the o being timing based routes make it hard to throw a late bomb?

Isn't this the same offense Tannehill has been in since Texas A&M, when his downfield accuracy was no better?

 

[Travis34]

Gee a 2nd year qb with no OL and shaky run game vs a legit franchise QB

 

[Shouright]

Gee a 2nd year qb with no OL and shaky run game vs a legit franchise QB

And yet Mike Wallace played so similarly with both, based only on the percentage of catchable balls they threw.

 

[Geforce]

Pitt switched their whole O in 2012 right? Could it be said the west coast o has caused both big ben and tennehill to erratic with the deep ball. Does so much of the o being timing based routes make it hard to throw a late bomb?

No. The West Coast Offense has nothing to do with it. Dennis Green ran a version of the WCO in Minnesota and they didn't have much of a problem with deep passes. Andy Reid ran a version of the WCO in Philadelphia and they also didn't have much of a problem with deep passes. The same could be said for the WCO in Green Bay and Washington.

Sometimes when you are dealing with faster players you either have to shorten the play design or find have the receiver do a double move or something similar to get the timing of the play to be where it needs to be.

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Isn't this the same offense Tannehill has been in since Texas A&M, when his downfield accuracy was no better?

Tannehill was in the same offense but the other players were not.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Isn't this the same offense Tannehill has been in since Texas A&M, when his downfield accuracy was no better?

But his accuracy is better with Dolphins receivers not named Mike Wallace.

 

[So Be]

It's certainly plausible that it takes a year, though that's inconsistent with the decline Wallace showed downfield in 2012, in his fourth year with Roethlisberger.

The difference that year? Roethlisberger threw a much lower percentage of catchable balls downfield than he had the previous three years.

In 2012, 6 of 31, and in 2013, 6 f 36. Five throws over 16 games.

 

[Shouright]

In 2012, 6 of 31, and in 2013, 6 f 36. Five throws over 16 games.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

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But his accuracy is better with Dolphins receivers not named Mike Wallace.

And the reason for that is?

 

[So Be]

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

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And the reason for that is?

I don't think you are understanding what you are saying, and I'm done.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

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And the reason for that is?

You tell me. I wonder if Roethlisberger has better numbers with receivers other than Wallace over the last two years.

 

[Shouright]

You tell me. I wonder if Roethlisberger has better numbers with receivers other than Wallace over the last two years.

OK I'll tell you. The percentage of catchable balls Tannehill threw in 2013 to Hartline, Gibson, Matthews, and Clay was 48%. The percentage of catchable balls he threw to Mike Wallace was 22%.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

OK I'll tell you. The percentage of catchable balls Tannehill threw in 2013 to Hartline, Gibson, Matthews, and Clay was 48%. The percentage of catchable balls he threw to Mike Wallace was 22%.

That doesn't explain why he was more accurate, only that he was. Looks like the problem could be Wallace or how he is used. How is "catchable" determined? If the ball is on target but the DB makes a play on the ball, is it catchable? Maybe Wallace is a one trick pony and defenders are sitting on the go route. Maybe he is being asked to run routes with smaller windows or more difficult timing.

In any case, the issue is not restricted to Tannehill.

 

[WVDolphan]

And the reason for that is?

You tell me

Ive tried to tell you. You simply dont like the answer.

 

[Shouright]

That doesn't explain why he was more accurate, only that he was. Looks like the problem could be Wallace or how he is used. How is "catchable" determined? If the ball is on target but the DB makes a play on the ball, is it catchable? Maybe Wallace is a one trick pony and defenders are sitting on the go route. Maybe he is being asked to run routes with smaller windows or more difficult timing.

In any case, the issue is not restricted to Tannehill.

Do you suppose those issues were any different when he was in Pittsburgh between 2009 and 2011, and his percentage of catchable balls downfield was much higher, in the same neighborhood as those of Hartline, Gibson, Matthews, and Clay this year?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Ive tried to tell you. You simply dont like the answer.

I'm like that with wrong answers.