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Mike Wallace's Career Deep Receiving Statistics: Tannehill vs. Roethlisberger

Do you suppose those issues were any different when he was in Pittsburgh between 2009 and 2011, and his percentage of catchable balls downfield was much higher, in the same neighborhood as those of Hartline, Gibson, Matthews, and Clay this year?

It's possible. His role in the offense may have changed. Maybe defenses adjusted. Pitts rushing attack fell off in 2012 also. That may have changed how defenses needed to defend the Steelers.
 
Hmhh people trying to excuse tannehill's sh*tty deep ball?




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So if I told you Tannehill does not throw an accurate deep ball and that was the simple and plain answer, you would suggest that is wrong?

It wouldn't explain his better accuracy with ALL of his other receivers.

The only thing that is true is that the timing with Wallace was off. Accuracy wasn't really the issue. The throws weren't inaccurate to the left or right. The throws were short or long and that is primarily timing. Now, why was his timing off with Wallace more than his other WRs? Who knows. Could be play design. Could be the speed differences. Could be that the number of attempts are so small that it is merely chance.
 
It wouldn't explain his better accuracy with ALL of his other receivers.

The only thing that is true is that the timing with Wallace was off. Accuracy wasn't really the issue. The throws weren't inaccurate to the left or right. The throws were short or long and that is primarily timing. Now, why was his timing off with Wallace more than his other WRs? Who knows. Could be play design. Could be the speed differences. Could be that the number of attempts are so small that it is merely chance.

So youre saying Tannehill is an accurate thrower of the deep ball?
 
It wouldn't explain his better accuracy with ALL of his other receivers.

The only thing that is true is that the timing with Wallace was off. Accuracy wasn't really the issue. The throws weren't inaccurate to the left or right. The throws were short or long and that is primarily timing. Now, why was his timing off with Wallace more than his other WRs? Who knows. Could be play design. Could be the speed differences. Could be that the number of attempts are so small that it is merely chance.
I think we'd probably find that the balls Tannehill threw to his other receivers that weren't catchable were probably no different in terms of distance downfield, on average, than the ones he threw Wallace that weren't catchable.

In other words, I think this is a distance downfield throwing issue and not a receiver issue. And that's supported by his downfield accuracy numbers in general.
 
So youre saying Tannehill is an accurate thrower of the deep ball?

If only it were that simple. His accuracy numbers aren't as different from most other QBs as you like to pretend. IMO, part of the issue is play design, part is the OL, part is Wallace, and part is Tannehill. Several of the misses were plays where Tannehill's arm was hit. A couple looked to be misses by Tannehill. A couple were balls slightly under thrown that Wallace has to do a better job with.
 
It's possible. His role in the offense may have changed. Maybe defenses adjusted. Pitts rushing attack fell off in 2012 also. That may have changed how defenses needed to defend the Steelers.

In 2012, everyone's role in Pittsburgh's offense changed. They went from the more vertical concepts of Bruce Arians to the more timing based short passing game of Todd Haley. It was one of discords between Big Ben and Haley.
 
I think we'd probably find that the balls Tannehill threw to his other receivers that weren't catchable were probably no different in terms of distance downfield, on average, than the ones he threw Wallace that weren't catchable.

In other words, I think this is a distance downfield throwing issue and not a receiver issue. And that's supported by his downfield accuracy numbers in general.

So if he is more accurate downfield with four other receivers, why is the issue the QB? Actually, I think the pass routes were different.

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In 2012, everyone's role in Pittsburgh's offense changed. They went from the more vertical concepts of Bruce Arians to the more timing based short passing game of Todd Haley. It was one of discords between Big Ben and Haley.

So Wallace doesn't excel in that offense? Sure glad we signed him for $60 mil.
 
If only it were that simple. His accuracy numbers aren't as different from most other QBs as you like to pretend. IMO, part of the issue is play design, part is the OL, part is Wallace, and part is Tannehill. Several of the misses were plays where Tannehill's arm was hit. A couple looked to be misses by Tannehill. A couple were balls slightly under thrown that Wallace has to do a better job with.

So do you believe Tannehill throws an accurate deep ball or not?

Is he good at this skill or not? Its a yes or no answer. Quit dodging. Say yes if that is what you believe. And if you dont believe he is, just say so.
 
So do you believe Tannehill throws an accurate deep ball or not?

Is he good at this skill or not? Its a yes or no answer. Quit dodging. Say yes if that is what you believe. And if you dont believe he is, just say so.

He answered you bro.

No to Wallace, yes to other other WRs on the team
 
So do you believe Tannehill throws an accurate deep ball or not?

Is he good at this skill or not? Its a yes or no answer. Quit dodging. Say yes if that is what you believe. And if you dont believe he is, just say so.

To everyone other than Wallace, yes. To Wallace, no.
 
So if he is more accurate downfield with four other receivers, why is the issue the QB? Actually, I think the pass routes were different.
Because the passes to those receivers are typically within a range in which he's more accurate?

Remember that this data is for passes of 20+ yards. Obviously (hypothetically) if the throws of that kind to the receivers other than Wallace average let's say 22 yards, and the ones to Wallace average 32, you're talking about more difficult throws to Wallace.
 
Yea, but more often than not it is simply the lack of talent that is the issue.

Just a thought....... YOURE over thinking it.

Then why is it only with Wallace he has this issue?

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