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Thank you #54...
There are only so many ways I can vehemently object to your analysis of Dan Marino. I will try to educate you as much as I can...
Stats do not mean everything but when you hold EVERY MAJOR Q.B. record known to man they do say something about the quality of the man and the player. You talk about the man like he was a scrub.
He DID never have talent around him. Lets review this alledged "talent".
The "prime" of Dan's career was 1983 - 1995. During this time:
The most yards rushing a player had was 915 by Mark Higgs in 1992. During a 13 year span they had ZERO 1,000 yard rushers.
The average ranking of the Dolphins rushing offense during this span of time was 21st out of 28 teams.
On defense the average ranking of the team was 17th.
In the same 13 year span the Dolphins had a total of 13 Pro Bowl appearences by defensive players. An average of 1 per season.
By way of comparison the Tampa Bay Bucs during the same span of time (13 years) averaged a ranking of 17th in total defense...they averaged 5 wins a season during that 13 years.
I tend to argue that WITHOUT Dan and the Mark's Brothers we would have been closer to the Tampa's of the world rather then being a potential playoff team every year.
We were preseason favorites? I agree we were preseason favorites a few times '84 (we went to the Super Bowl), '85 (lost the AFC title game), '93 (Dan got hurt) and '95 (the team imploded with selfishness).
Saying we were "perennial" favorites is laughable. For about 8 years of Dan's career the Bills were the team to beat in the AFC. During that time the Dolphins had NOTHING on defense and no running game to speak of.
I'll say it for the 340530th time....a team with no defense and no running game has no chance.
As far as that "outstanding" protection, that is more of a mirage then anything. Dan's quick release probably avoided about 20 sacks a season.
If our O-line's were so good then why did the Dolphins rank an average of 21st in the league rushing the football?
Was'nt great in critical times or in the 4th quarter?
[size=-1]In his 17 years he brought the team back from a fourth quarter deficit a total of 37 times, with 21 fourth quarter triumphs at home and 16 on the road. Included were three playoff games in which Marino led Miami back in the fourth quarter.
If you include 13 fourth-quarter situations in which the game was tied and Dan lead them to a win, then Marino led the Dolphins on a total of 50 game-winning drives.
Marino ranks second in 4th quarter comeback victories behind Elway's 43. 2nd all time...what was your point again?
In Marino’s 37 career fourth quarter comebacks, he completed 63.5% of his passes for 3,710 yards with 29 touchdowns and eight INTs with a 4th quarter Q.B.rating of 104.
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There have been a grand total of 2 of your example situations (Elway and Montana). Saying that guy is not clutch because he has'nt done something that has been done twice in the history of the sport is an absurd level to hold someone to.
You have the right to your opinion. You bring specualtion and "what if's" and I brought FACTS.
To say that Dan was "overrated" and "not clutch" is false...but you have the right to your opinion...even if it is DEAD WRONG.
To say that he is "Top 20 and not Top 5" is absurd. Give me a list of who ranks ahead of him historically.
ricky williams said:
Stats do not mean everything but when you hold EVERY MAJOR Q.B. record known to man they do say something about the quality of the man and the player. You talk about the man like he was a scrub.
ricky williams said:
He DID never have talent around him. Lets review this alledged "talent".
The "prime" of Dan's career was 1983 - 1995. During this time:
The most yards rushing a player had was 915 by Mark Higgs in 1992. During a 13 year span they had ZERO 1,000 yard rushers.
The average ranking of the Dolphins rushing offense during this span of time was 21st out of 28 teams.
On defense the average ranking of the team was 17th.
In the same 13 year span the Dolphins had a total of 13 Pro Bowl appearences by defensive players. An average of 1 per season.
By way of comparison the Tampa Bay Bucs during the same span of time (13 years) averaged a ranking of 17th in total defense...they averaged 5 wins a season during that 13 years.
I tend to argue that WITHOUT Dan and the Mark's Brothers we would have been closer to the Tampa's of the world rather then being a potential playoff team every year.
ricky williams said:
We were preseason favorites? I agree we were preseason favorites a few times '84 (we went to the Super Bowl), '85 (lost the AFC title game), '93 (Dan got hurt) and '95 (the team imploded with selfishness).
Saying we were "perennial" favorites is laughable. For about 8 years of Dan's career the Bills were the team to beat in the AFC. During that time the Dolphins had NOTHING on defense and no running game to speak of.
I'll say it for the 340530th time....a team with no defense and no running game has no chance.
As far as that "outstanding" protection, that is more of a mirage then anything. Dan's quick release probably avoided about 20 sacks a season.
If our O-line's were so good then why did the Dolphins rank an average of 21st in the league rushing the football?
ricky williams said:
Was'nt great in critical times or in the 4th quarter?
[size=-1]In his 17 years he brought the team back from a fourth quarter deficit a total of 37 times, with 21 fourth quarter triumphs at home and 16 on the road. Included were three playoff games in which Marino led Miami back in the fourth quarter.
If you include 13 fourth-quarter situations in which the game was tied and Dan lead them to a win, then Marino led the Dolphins on a total of 50 game-winning drives.
Marino ranks second in 4th quarter comeback victories behind Elway's 43. 2nd all time...what was your point again?
In Marino’s 37 career fourth quarter comebacks, he completed 63.5% of his passes for 3,710 yards with 29 touchdowns and eight INTs with a 4th quarter Q.B.rating of 104.
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ricky williams said:
There have been a grand total of 2 of your example situations (Elway and Montana). Saying that guy is not clutch because he has'nt done something that has been done twice in the history of the sport is an absurd level to hold someone to.
ricky williams said:
You have the right to your opinion. You bring specualtion and "what if's" and I brought FACTS.
To say that Dan was "overrated" and "not clutch" is false...but you have the right to your opinion...even if it is DEAD WRONG.
To say that he is "Top 20 and not Top 5" is absurd. Give me a list of who ranks ahead of him historically.
